Topic: New cloak not working as advertised (Read 16853 times)

David Ferrell · « **Reply #80 on:** July 23, 2003, 05:23:03 pm »

Feel free to point out any CTDs that you find and how to reproduce them.

I have already fixed the PPD one (it has unique circumstances that made
*this* crash unique to the PPD).

Since I introduced it, I sure as heck better fix it.

Thanks,

Dave

Corbomite · « **Reply #81 on:** July 23, 2003, 05:25:18 pm »

Now that's service for you!!

FireSoul · « **Reply #82 on:** July 23, 2003, 05:26:05 pm »

Quote:

Now that's service for you!!

I agree.

Corbomite · « **Reply #83 on:** July 23, 2003, 05:39:06 pm »

Ok I just tried Fusions and Hellbores. They work fine. With what Jwest said I think that covers everything. I will try ESG and ESG lance just to be sure though.

Corbomite · « **Reply #86 on:** July 23, 2003, 06:14:02 pm »

I just tried all the DF weapons, including X weapons and the ESG. They work fine. I guess the PPD is the only culprit, thankfully.

Capt Jeff · « **Reply #90 on:** July 25, 2003, 12:31:32 pm »

This PPD problem doesn't apply just to firing on cloaked ships. Blow up any ship or even a drone with PPD and you crash.,

TarMinyatur · « **Reply #91 on:** July 18, 2003, 09:03:07 pm »

I have yet to observe a single Overloaded Photon do 4 points of damage. According to the published chart, 33% should do 16, 33% do 8, and 33% do 4. So far, approximately 2/3rds do 16 and 1/3 do 8 over about 100 shots.

Is the random number generator improperly set up? It may be giving a 0, 1, 2 when the intended results are 1, 2, 3, thereby shifting the cloak chart to a woeful:

IntRnd(3)
returns 0,1,2

0: Full damage (?)
1: Full damage
2: Half damage
3: Quarter damage (Can't occur)

IntRnd(3) + 1 would solve the problem if this is the case

Can anyone else confirm this?

Note that this is single-player. Are there two versions of the cloak chart? This would seem to be unlikely but it is possible. I'll get online and test multi.

I had some help from Centuri Vaughn and Sabercut on GSA. There is a bug here. Not a single OV Photon did less than 8 and a super majority of them did 16.

Tulmahk · « **Reply #92 on:** July 19, 2003, 04:35:06 am »

One of the reasons I stopped playing SFC2 (aside from time constraints) was due to the incredibly poor implementation of the cloaking device, making Romulan ships far more difficult to play.

And the SFB rules DO allow for invisible cloak. It merely requires a referee to moderate it. In the computerized version of SFB, the computer acts automatically as that referee, so there is no need whatsoever for the Shade-and-Die®. One of the worst game design decisions, ever.

Cleaven · « **Reply #93 on:** July 19, 2003, 04:53:26 am »

My guess is that it was a short-cut taken due to other pressures, as opposed to a deliberate design decision made in the initial planning. It has just taken a long time to put it right (almost).

NannerSlug · « **Reply #95 on:** July 19, 2003, 11:26:14 am »

sorry renegade, i completely disagree with that statment about tar. his post only proves no good deed goes unpunished.

dave has mentioned in different threads that it is an approximatioin of the sfb rule set - not exact.

so play the game and enjoy it. dave/taldren didnt have to do anything, but they decided to. i think there would be a little bit of a thank you. - as there is from many including your self (i dont expact any from tar).

play it. enjoy it. live it.

FireSoul · « **Reply #96 on:** July 19, 2003, 11:55:04 am »

You see..
.. David didn't enhance the cloak because he had to. He did it because we asked him if he could. Same goes for fighters being recalled by AI Carriers, AI pirates using engine doubling, and AI using ECM/ECCM. It's all been in good faith.

Tar: just play it, and use the ECM effect which isn't supposed to be there by SFB rules to compensate.

Lepton1 · « **Reply #97 on:** July 19, 2003, 12:04:40 pm »

Tar isn't complaining. He's pointing out an accident in what was clearly Dave's intention to use the cloak damage chart that is quoted in Dave's own posts. Clearly if something went wrong, we should at least be aware of it, if not ask that it be changed since this was Dave's intention in the first place.

As for the cloak only being "like-SFB", that has more to do I think if you check Dave's and other posts with the loss of lock for seeking weapons. This is SFB emulated portion. But the cloak damage chart is the cloak damage chart and I firmly believe that is what Dave and everoyne else wants.

This is from Dave's own post:

Cloak changes:
1) Decreased flash time by about 1/4.
2) Seeking weapons now are removed if firing ship looses lock.
3) Being tractored will no longer prevent cloak from being brought on-line.
4) If a ship being tractored cloaks, the ship holding the cloaker will maintain lock.
5) Weapons damage is reduced according to the following chart:
33.3% chance weapon does normal damage.
33.3% chance weapon does 1/2 damage.
33.3% chance weapon does 1/4 damage.

If it isn't doing 1/4 damage, then that's a problem.

I'd be interested to know if any weapons are suffering 1/4 damage. Perhaps there is some photon bonus that is effecting the cloak DAC.

Lepton1 · « **Reply #98 on:** July 19, 2003, 09:51:08 pm »

I am surprised there has been no official response. 100 trials says it all I think. If it doesn't work the way intended then it should be stated so or fixed.

3dot14 · « **Reply #99 on:** July 19, 2003, 09:57:07 pm »

Is this such a big deal?

Consider the cloak has gotten a few bonus from its SFB cousin, it's not surprising it loses a few. Personally, I am inclined to simply alter the readme.txt to match the current situation.

Now I know I prefer this cloak to SFC3's hidden cloak (both as seeker or hider) and this OP cloak is far from shade and die. but I am curious, Tulmahk, how Exactly does the SFB's referring system work?

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