Topic: Thank you for the answer Mister Ferrell (Read 19333 times)

SSCF Hooch · « **on:** February 11, 2003, 01:30:54 pm »

Quote:

They were never un-banned.

They will not be coming back.

Any further threads of this sort will be deleted as a public nuisance.

Thanks,

Dave

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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. - John 3:16

Thank you for at least saying it.

I really mean that, it is your nickel as it were anyway. You might have answered sooner, it would have be nice. Personally it saddens me, but many things in life are dis-appointing. Saying you will delete another post like this I find refreshingly honest, direct and to the point.

It does suprise me that you choose not to ban me for being a public nuisance as you put it. (mind you, I ain't asking to be)

Now for my two cents on SFC III

Much as I wanted to not like it, I do. Your team did many good things here.

1. Warp, love it.
2. Reverse, really love it.
3. Ship and crew configurations, the best seen to date (an Air Force inspection term for "you do this very well" )
4. Fleeting, much better than SFCII (sorry guys I really think that)
5. Ease of play, it does flow smootherfor than EaW for the new player
6. Chat seems better, I like the expanded space to type

The things I don't like

1. Lack of mission diversity, I like flipping hexes and planning an offensive across a map.
2. Campaign possiblities are not as good for private servers as in SFC II
3. Too few races, four is just not enough. I hope you expand it soon
4. I like transporter mines, greater detail in power management, and ECM / ECCM
5. The tractoring seems to have added a nasty cheese factor

What I do find curious is that playing III has oddly made my II game better, it's a mystery to me how that happened.

Now bugs always happen, every game comes out with them, your a good game company and I know you will fix them.

There, was that so bad?

Hooch

J'inn · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2003, 01:42:44 pm »

Yes, thanks for responding.

Now we can go on with our standard bitc . . . erm, discussions, about all things SFC.

KATChuutRitt · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2003, 01:49:34 pm »

Agreed Hooch,

Thank you Mr. Ferrell

Glad to have your answer, if somewhat belatedly.

I am saddened by you decisioin also but it is your right. I would have liked more explanation esp about Max's banning, but again that is your choice.

I also was not asking to be banned in my support of those who were, just wanting the issue to be noted. Although I accepted banning as a possible consequence of this. As for being a nuisance, yes I most certainly was, but for a cause i believed in (and still do). Now that I have your answer I will try to be less of one, at least on your forums, as I reserve the right to state my opinion of your decision on other less sensitive ones. And Dave, if you choose to post on those forums, I will defend your right to do so as I have defended the banned individuals here. Just because I don't agree with you desn't mean that I wont defend your right to disagree.

P.S.

I don't care for SCF3, hopefully it will get to the point where I do with patches and more missions, but I don't feel that others need to share my view on this. If it is fun for you, play it, and good will to you all.

David Ferrell · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2003, 04:27:55 pm »

NP.

As far as mission diversity goes, there should be two more missions coming out around the time of the patch,
by some Nerdlat fellow: Surprise Reversed and a monster mission.

We still hope to get more out of this poor fellow, but no timeline has been set.

Thanks,

Dave

FatherTed · « **Reply #5 on:** February 11, 2003, 04:36:40 pm »

Urm, speaking of patches, any word on the OP patch? -dives back into the bomb shelter

Akhilles · « **Reply #8 on:** February 11, 2003, 05:15:46 pm »

Anyone know where I can get a copy of OP? Or is it too old to buy in the stores? I cannot find a copy in my local ebgames store.

LongTooth · « **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2003, 05:17:36 pm »

Thanks dave
Well we tried

its something we felt strongley about and had to fight for
Taldren has all way been open and honest with us once again thanks

NCC2012 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 11, 2003, 07:44:25 pm »

THANK YOU!

Akhilles · « **Reply #14 on:** February 11, 2003, 08:04:17 pm »

Thanks, got it at Gamestop for $9.99

hobbesmaster · « **Reply #15 on:** February 11, 2003, 08:49:37 pm »

Erik, anyone at Taldren; do you recognize the rift thats forming between SFC2 and SFC3? Recent events, not related to this banning, created a schism between the SFC2 and 3 communities at the very least on the sfc2.net forums. Stuff like this; with most all of the DV2 community rallying around a cause, only further proves to many players of SFC2's dynaverse that Taldren truely does not support that game anymore. That the small business that we could always trust for support and level headedness appears to be gone; left to join the larger faceless developement houses which deal with their community in a clumsy, hands off manner.

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2003, 12:01:53 am »

Right, sorry, but I'm going to have to say this.

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING, YOU DAFT FOOL??? Just because taldren sticks to their guns on an issue doesn't mean that they've gone a microsoft big-evil corperate and have utterly abandoned a game. I means that they don't want those three individuals posting. That's ALL. I'm sure dave would tell you that Taldren was and still is very proud of SFCII.

You ignorant, pompous, self-absorbed, arrogant, pathetic, single-minded, bloody-headed LOSER. Get this through your head! Taldren doesn't hate its players. Taldren is NOT incompetant. Taldren can do what they please on these forums, and they are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT to do it. This DOES NOT MAKE THEM STUPID, RUDE, INSENSITIVE, OR ALIENATED FROM THE GAMER. It makes them resolute, maybe even adamant. Not bad qualities, I would say.

Quit freaking out at Taldren. They make my absolute favorite video game series, and I think others here would say the same. They make damned fine games, and we're sick and tired of a few whiners coming on here and telling them that they can't write.

I mean come ON! I've been on this forum all of a month, and almost 2/3 of all posts I've seen have been anti-taldren! I know that I've engaged in it a bit myself, but I always, always added 'just kidding, taldren is great' to my post. Grow up! We purchased the game. Taldren is under absolutely NO legal constraint to patch it. They could claim its meant to be this way. They're working for OUR benefit alone. Patching will not bring them money! So SHUT UP about how much taldren has sold out, because the only thing they've sold out is their own bank accounts, to help US.

Really, I am sorry to yell like that, but COME ON people. GROW UP.

Alexander

KATChuutRitt · « **Reply #17 on:** February 12, 2003, 12:22:40 am »

The fact that in your 1 month 2/3rds of the post have been "Anti-Taldren" might also imply that a different technique for customer relations might be worth Taldren's consideration?

BTW thats a lot of name-calling bud.

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 12, 2003, 12:31:30 am »

Is it really? I've seen less used against taldren. And they're here at WORK. The people to whom that comment was addressed just show up because they want to.

Yeah, I guess it is name-calling. But at least I didn't swear TOO much. And I am not anti-reinstatement. I'm Pro-Taldren.

Alexander

KATChuutRitt · « **Reply #26 on:** February 12, 2003, 11:51:55 am »

Missed that one earlier,

I also see no lack of support on Dyna 2 by Taldren either.

If anyone has any evidence to the contrary, I would like to see it.

TheSatyr · « **Reply #27 on:** February 12, 2003, 12:44:25 pm »

If what Dave posts disturbs some people then i suggest never going to the battlefront.com(Combat mission) forums.

When the devs there get tired of people they rip them to shreds.

Dave is tame by comparison.

Karnak · « **Reply #29 on:** February 12, 2003, 02:09:34 pm »

In my experience, people/organizations are very rarely anywhere near as bad as they are made out to be because the rhetoric can get so thick on the forums.

I remember Taldren providing the EAW 2.0.3.6 patch at the same time as going gold with SFC3. If the company did not care about SFC2 then they still would have left the D2 community hanging with Crash To Desktop on Targeting bugs with the 2.0.3.3 patch.

As for people arguing with each other on the forums. Some of them become good friends after they fight a good few battles on the dyna cuz they never break the sacred rule of boycotting the other in game play. The ones that do really should consider another leisure hobby, IMHO.

LongTooth · « **Reply #31 on:** February 12, 2003, 03:55:15 pm »

NP dave the last 2 weeks have been heated for a lot of us I think we should all sit back and take a brether

SSCF Hooch · « **Reply #32 on:** February 12, 2003, 05:00:16 pm »

Post deleted by SSCF Hooch

Rob Cole · « **Reply #33 on:** February 12, 2003, 05:26:06 pm »

Better be careful Hoochie...

TheSatyr · « **Reply #34 on:** February 12, 2003, 05:35:45 pm »

What part of "no" don't you understand???

Stormbringer · « **Reply #35 on:** February 12, 2003, 05:40:37 pm »

Your sig kind of clashes with your post.

KATChuutRitt · « **Reply #39 on:** February 12, 2003, 11:38:34 pm »

Dave after your break I would like to invite you over to the SFC2.net forums for a discussion on the bannings. I will ask that everyone there extend their utmost courtesy to you (no promises regarding Die Hard though, and perhaps we can generate a meaningful dialogue that is flame free <crosses fingers>,

There may be things that the pro-unbanning lobby has not taken into consideration which you would like to state, and there are likely other questions that this lobby would like a more detailed and more polite explanation for..

I will respect "your house" here by not trying to ressurrect the unban thread, as per your request. So I hope you find it worthwhile to respect mine. In light of the heat of recent debate on this issue, a change of venue might be more productive and help restore better relations between all involved parties.

P.S. I will stick up for your right to be treated civially there, in appreaciation for such an appearance, and on principle as well. Consider yourself my personal guest if you wish, I will do my best to have you treated well there, regardless of any differences of opinion we may have over this issue.

Just start the thread yourself or send me a PM and I will start one for you. Thanks for your consideration.

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #40 on:** February 13, 2003, 12:03:04 am »

Sorry, perhaps I made myself unclear.

I was refering to the post immediately above mine, the one Dave commented about. There's no shame in saying 'This should be in the patch', but there is shame is sullying that kind of thread by using it to insult taldren, or tell them they've sold out. I probably shouldn't have written all that, but it really did offend me that he would attack a game company because they disagree with his personal oppinion on a non-game related matter. I can't really take it down now, given the level of quotation. As I said, I posted on that petition, but its over, and taldren are not evil for ending it.

Alexander

GE-Raven · « **Reply #44 on:** February 13, 2003, 11:04:56 am »

I am saying that saying that you will stop asking for the unbanning of a member and just let the issue drop if only Taldren just relpies to your mile long tantrum, and then waiting one day before going back on your word to "drop" the issue is rude! So don't play the coy, "I am not the one being rude, you are" routine. In so much as you have been posting on a topic you said you would drop after a response (in a thread to thank Dave no less) you have not been holding to your word.

Now then in response to Chuut. This is your exact words, "Dave after your break I would like to invite you over to the SFC2.net forums for a discussion on the bannings." I ask you this. Is this not bringing up the subject on the forum? Is this not what you promised to not do? Could you not have sent this to Dave in person? What is the point in publicly posting this if not to reraise the issue?

I read very well, thank you. However You and Hooch (and others) seemed to have missed this:

Dave said, "They were never un-banned.

They will not be coming back.

Any further threads of this sort will be deleted as a public nuisance.

Thanks,

Dave "

How much more clear cut do you need? He gave you your answer. Now please do us all a favor and honor your word. No new threads, no hi-jacking of threads, drop the issue. Please?

GE-Raven

LongTooth · « **Reply #52 on:** February 13, 2003, 01:36:06 pm »

Well thanks GE raven but some of US honnered our word (hench why the thread has not been bunped)
I know why dont you start calling us morle cowards again yes thats a sure fired way to end a thread:rolleyes:
How come some one whos been around for as long as you have be so stupid?
You dont want theses type of threads on the boards YET you keep posting in them maybe you should stop

LongTooth · « **Reply #54 on:** February 13, 2003, 02:09:18 pm »

Hooch chutt I got what I came for dave gave the reply thats enough for me

KATChuutRitt · « **Reply #55 on:** February 13, 2003, 02:43:24 pm »

Roger Longtooth

As I stated before my invitation was intended as my last post on it unless I see another "bump" from those asking it be dropped with an insulting remark attatched.

SSCF Hooch · « **Reply #57 on:** February 13, 2003, 05:18:31 pm »

Really? I foster ill will, now that is odd. I suppose this reply to me does not?

You would toss me?

Why, what have I said about Taldren, it's games, or it's staff that are not positive.

For the record, those who got hammered with the "death penalty" might have gotten what was coming to them. Taldren is completely within their rights to ban anybody for anything.

You want my true motivations about all of this...fine, here it is. You asked, so now I am telling you and the whole of these forums, my true, evil, discord bringing, and hate filled desire to see these men allowed back into these forums.

I was NOT asking in the name of free speech, nope you got it all wrong Jerry.

I was, as a Christain, was asking for mercy for them.

Now, am I a good Christain? No very, but I try.

It was for the example that Jesus always showed toward those who deserved judgement and yet showed them mercy and forgiveness, that is why I was asking. I was hoping that like your humor to me, which I missed, many would see the point I was really making was about how we as Christains should respond to personal and vile attacks without starting a whole thread on the merits of Christain faith. I am sorry you missed that, just as you are sorry i missed your humor.

Well thats it, I did because of my faith pure and simple, not the best faith or the most informed faith. My faith is very simple but very fierce. I belive in mercy, I belive in forgviness, I belive that I am a man who has only the cross and the hope it gives me that there is mercy and hope in it. We as Christains are commanded to do NO LESS than what Jesus did, to point of asking God almighty to forgive the very ones that were killing him on a Roman cross.

"How many times shall I forgive a man, he asked, Seven times as the law commands? Jesus answered, I say to you, you shall forgive a man seventy times seven"

"Father forgive our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass aginst us"

"A woman pleaded with a judge for justice and he refused her, she kept going to the judge eveyday to him asking for justice, finally he said "I will give this woman that what she seeks"

That was and has been my example and my hope in all of this.

Do people of conviction offend you?

Do people who are willing to pay the price of conviction scare you as well?

Do I belive in free speech...yes, but not personal attacks on people who make games for us to enjoy, do I belive in making the games better...yes, but only by civil discourse and the sharing of ideas.

I have never endorsed their comments, never.

I stand only on what I belive the Holy Spirit has lead me to do here about this issue. Yes...you read it right... I am saying that I belive that I was called by the Holy Spirit to lead this issue and this effort and I am willing to pay the price for it.

Well here I am, blast away, I suspect you could ban me or get somebody who could do it for you.

Now please be sure to mock my faith and call me a horrible example of Christainity, all of you that think I am being a moron or a jerk, or a public pain in the rump.

Since you left me your name to make it real, I will do so for you as well.

If you want to really call me names and threaten me I will PM my phone number to you.

Byron

David Ferrell · « **Reply #58 on:** February 13, 2003, 05:45:23 pm »

Can we all just relax?

I never thought about banning anyone for asking to have someone
reinstated. I don't remember anyone being insulting or contentious until
now.

BTW Moderators exsist solely to delete the kind of pornographic garbage that
hit the forums late in 02, if it should ever appear again.

Thanks,

Dave

ChamadaIV · « **Reply #59 on:** February 13, 2003, 06:01:58 pm »

I'm sorry for jumping in like this, but I too am a believer in the Holy Spirit. Hooch's argument holds strength of heart, and I truly respect that. However, ToastyO's...well, how shall I call it...sophistic remarks also hold a manner of truth not to be ignored.

Ultimately, hard feelings over meager comments and simple words (like Mr. Ferell's banning of Kai Lee for example) only creates conflict to the degree of which I am seeing here right now. Harsh words needn't be exchanged personally, gentlemen. Yes, I'm attempting to be the voice of reason here. Indiscriminate bannings of "undesireables" fits well with the dictorial and imperialistic ways of the empries of old, not in today's society.

As hard as it is to do, the best way to deal with the criticisms of others is simply to let them be, and MOVE ON. You've got to be open-minded and stoic when dealing with such things, especially in real life but also on such things as these chat boards.

As Hooch says should be done, FORGIVE, and let be. Open hostility will achieve nothing in the end.

That is all. Quote me as you all wish. I've nothing to be ashamed of, I've said what I felt I needed to say....

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #61 on:** February 13, 2003, 06:49:40 pm »

Are we on about porn or bad porn? I was exposed to mild amounts of porn from an early age and it did me no arm

In all seriousness moderators need to exist on message boards which allow pictures and dont have a swear filter. Just in case someone starts going over the top!

Tantalus · « **Reply #62 on:** February 13, 2003, 07:08:30 pm »

All a little silly really.....

As for the Moderators.... you should remember exactly why you are in this forum as a moderator and not overstep your status when responding to people - it can be hard not to sound a little arrogant when your name is in bliue it seems....

David, I see that you have an SFC3.Net link to their forums on the bottom of this forum. Can you please do the same for SFC2.Net? I will PM you the details if you wish.

As for those who disagree and support Taldren on this matter... you would be making life nicer around here if you simply left the thread alione. That way you would see far less of it instead of creating an atmosphere and a need to respond to negative comments.... like this one heh.

Far more serious things going on in this world at present than to worry about something as trivial as this.

I look forward to hearing from you Dave.

Toasty0 · « **Reply #65 on:** February 13, 2003, 08:10:32 pm »

Same here. I had SFC2.net linked from my site as well when the link became broken. I was under the impresion that the site had been shutdown due to a lack of funds and only recently discovered otherwise.

Please feel free to email me at Toasty0@toasty0.com

Best,
Jerry

Cruis.In · « **Reply #69 on:** February 14, 2003, 01:27:12 am »

can't we all just get along?

TheSatyr · « **Reply #70 on:** February 14, 2003, 02:24:01 am »

Next thing ya know some Mirak will start posting kitty porn,then it'll be the end of civilization as we know it.

J'inn · « **Reply #74 on:** February 11, 2003, 01:42:44 pm »

Yes, thanks for responding.

Now we can go on with our standard bitc . . . erm, discussions, about all things SFC.

KATChuutRitt · « **Reply #76 on:** February 11, 2003, 01:49:34 pm »

Agreed Hooch,

Thank you Mr. Ferrell

Glad to have your answer, if somewhat belatedly.

I am saddened by you decisioin also but it is your right. I would have liked more explanation esp about Max's banning, but again that is your choice.

I also was not asking to be banned in my support of those who were, just wanting the issue to be noted. Although I accepted banning as a possible consequence of this. As for being a nuisance, yes I most certainly was, but for a cause i believed in (and still do). Now that I have your answer I will try to be less of one, at least on your forums, as I reserve the right to state my opinion of your decision on other less sensitive ones. And Dave, if you choose to post on those forums, I will defend your right to do so as I have defended the banned individuals here. Just because I don't agree with you desn't mean that I wont defend your right to disagree.

P.S.

I don't care for SCF3, hopefully it will get to the point where I do with patches and more missions, but I don't feel that others need to share my view on this. If it is fun for you, play it, and good will to you all.

David Ferrell · « **Reply #77 on:** February 11, 2003, 04:27:55 pm »

NP.

As far as mission diversity goes, there should be two more missions coming out around the time of the patch,
by some Nerdlat fellow: Surprise Reversed and a monster mission.

We still hope to get more out of this poor fellow, but no timeline has been set.

Thanks,

Dave

FatherTed · « **Reply #78 on:** February 11, 2003, 04:36:40 pm »

Urm, speaking of patches, any word on the OP patch? -dives back into the bomb shelter

Akhilles · « **Reply #81 on:** February 11, 2003, 05:15:46 pm »

Anyone know where I can get a copy of OP? Or is it too old to buy in the stores? I cannot find a copy in my local ebgames store.

LongTooth · « **Reply #82 on:** February 11, 2003, 05:17:36 pm »

Thanks dave
Well we tried

its something we felt strongley about and had to fight for
Taldren has all way been open and honest with us once again thanks

NCC2012 · « **Reply #85 on:** February 11, 2003, 07:44:25 pm »

THANK YOU!

Akhilles · « **Reply #87 on:** February 11, 2003, 08:04:17 pm »

Thanks, got it at Gamestop for $9.99

hobbesmaster · « **Reply #88 on:** February 11, 2003, 08:49:37 pm »

Erik, anyone at Taldren; do you recognize the rift thats forming between SFC2 and SFC3? Recent events, not related to this banning, created a schism between the SFC2 and 3 communities at the very least on the sfc2.net forums. Stuff like this; with most all of the DV2 community rallying around a cause, only further proves to many players of SFC2's dynaverse that Taldren truely does not support that game anymore. That the small business that we could always trust for support and level headedness appears to be gone; left to join the larger faceless developement houses which deal with their community in a clumsy, hands off manner.

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #89 on:** February 12, 2003, 12:01:53 am »

Right, sorry, but I'm going to have to say this.

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING, YOU DAFT FOOL??? Just because taldren sticks to their guns on an issue doesn't mean that they've gone a microsoft big-evil corperate and have utterly abandoned a game. I means that they don't want those three individuals posting. That's ALL. I'm sure dave would tell you that Taldren was and still is very proud of SFCII.

You ignorant, pompous, self-absorbed, arrogant, pathetic, single-minded, bloody-headed LOSER. Get this through your head! Taldren doesn't hate its players. Taldren is NOT incompetant. Taldren can do what they please on these forums, and they are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT to do it. This DOES NOT MAKE THEM STUPID, RUDE, INSENSITIVE, OR ALIENATED FROM THE GAMER. It makes them resolute, maybe even adamant. Not bad qualities, I would say.

Quit freaking out at Taldren. They make my absolute favorite video game series, and I think others here would say the same. They make damned fine games, and we're sick and tired of a few whiners coming on here and telling them that they can't write.

I mean come ON! I've been on this forum all of a month, and almost 2/3 of all posts I've seen have been anti-taldren! I know that I've engaged in it a bit myself, but I always, always added 'just kidding, taldren is great' to my post. Grow up! We purchased the game. Taldren is under absolutely NO legal constraint to patch it. They could claim its meant to be this way. They're working for OUR benefit alone. Patching will not bring them money! So SHUT UP about how much taldren has sold out, because the only thing they've sold out is their own bank accounts, to help US.

Really, I am sorry to yell like that, but COME ON people. GROW UP.

Alexander

KATChuutRitt · « **Reply #90 on:** February 12, 2003, 12:22:40 am »

The fact that in your 1 month 2/3rds of the post have been "Anti-Taldren" might also imply that a different technique for customer relations might be worth Taldren's consideration?

BTW thats a lot of name-calling bud.

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #91 on:** February 12, 2003, 12:31:30 am »

Is it really? I've seen less used against taldren. And they're here at WORK. The people to whom that comment was addressed just show up because they want to.

Yeah, I guess it is name-calling. But at least I didn't swear TOO much. And I am not anti-reinstatement. I'm Pro-Taldren.

Alexander

KATChuutRitt · « **Reply #99 on:** February 12, 2003, 11:51:55 am »

Missed that one earlier,

I also see no lack of support on Dyna 2 by Taldren either.

If anyone has any evidence to the contrary, I would like to see it.

TheSatyr · « **Reply #100 on:** February 12, 2003, 12:44:25 pm »

If what Dave posts disturbs some people then i suggest never going to the battlefront.com(Combat mission) forums.

When the devs there get tired of people they rip them to shreds.

Dave is tame by comparison.

Karnak · « **Reply #102 on:** February 12, 2003, 02:09:34 pm »

In my experience, people/organizations are very rarely anywhere near as bad as they are made out to be because the rhetoric can get so thick on the forums.

I remember Taldren providing the EAW 2.0.3.6 patch at the same time as going gold with SFC3. If the company did not care about SFC2 then they still would have left the D2 community hanging with Crash To Desktop on Targeting bugs with the 2.0.3.3 patch.

As for people arguing with each other on the forums. Some of them become good friends after they fight a good few battles on the dyna cuz they never break the sacred rule of boycotting the other in game play. The ones that do really should consider another leisure hobby, IMHO.

LongTooth · « **Reply #104 on:** February 12, 2003, 03:55:15 pm »

NP dave the last 2 weeks have been heated for a lot of us I think we should all sit back and take a brether

SSCF Hooch · « **Reply #105 on:** February 12, 2003, 05:00:16 pm »

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Rob Cole · « **Reply #106 on:** February 12, 2003, 05:26:06 pm »

Better be careful Hoochie...

TheSatyr · « **Reply #107 on:** February 12, 2003, 05:35:45 pm »

What part of "no" don't you understand???

Stormbringer · « **Reply #108 on:** February 12, 2003, 05:40:37 pm »

Your sig kind of clashes with your post.

KATChuutRitt · « **Reply #112 on:** February 12, 2003, 11:38:34 pm »

Dave after your break I would like to invite you over to the SFC2.net forums for a discussion on the bannings. I will ask that everyone there extend their utmost courtesy to you (no promises regarding Die Hard though, and perhaps we can generate a meaningful dialogue that is flame free <crosses fingers>,

There may be things that the pro-unbanning lobby has not taken into consideration which you would like to state, and there are likely other questions that this lobby would like a more detailed and more polite explanation for..

I will respect "your house" here by not trying to ressurrect the unban thread, as per your request. So I hope you find it worthwhile to respect mine. In light of the heat of recent debate on this issue, a change of venue might be more productive and help restore better relations between all involved parties.

P.S. I will stick up for your right to be treated civially there, in appreaciation for such an appearance, and on principle as well. Consider yourself my personal guest if you wish, I will do my best to have you treated well there, regardless of any differences of opinion we may have over this issue.

Just start the thread yourself or send me a PM and I will start one for you. Thanks for your consideration.

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #113 on:** February 13, 2003, 12:03:04 am »

Sorry, perhaps I made myself unclear.

I was refering to the post immediately above mine, the one Dave commented about. There's no shame in saying 'This should be in the patch', but there is shame is sullying that kind of thread by using it to insult taldren, or tell them they've sold out. I probably shouldn't have written all that, but it really did offend me that he would attack a game company because they disagree with his personal oppinion on a non-game related matter. I can't really take it down now, given the level of quotation. As I said, I posted on that petition, but its over, and taldren are not evil for ending it.

Alexander

GE-Raven · « **Reply #117 on:** February 13, 2003, 11:04:56 am »

I am saying that saying that you will stop asking for the unbanning of a member and just let the issue drop if only Taldren just relpies to your mile long tantrum, and then waiting one day before going back on your word to "drop" the issue is rude! So don't play the coy, "I am not the one being rude, you are" routine. In so much as you have been posting on a topic you said you would drop after a response (in a thread to thank Dave no less) you have not been holding to your word.

Now then in response to Chuut. This is your exact words, "Dave after your break I would like to invite you over to the SFC2.net forums for a discussion on the bannings." I ask you this. Is this not bringing up the subject on the forum? Is this not what you promised to not do? Could you not have sent this to Dave in person? What is the point in publicly posting this if not to reraise the issue?

I read very well, thank you. However You and Hooch (and others) seemed to have missed this:

Dave said, "They were never un-banned.

They will not be coming back.

Any further threads of this sort will be deleted as a public nuisance.

Thanks,

Dave "

How much more clear cut do you need? He gave you your answer. Now please do us all a favor and honor your word. No new threads, no hi-jacking of threads, drop the issue. Please?

GE-Raven

LongTooth · « **Reply #125 on:** February 13, 2003, 01:36:06 pm »

Well thanks GE raven but some of US honnered our word (hench why the thread has not been bunped)
I know why dont you start calling us morle cowards again yes thats a sure fired way to end a thread:rolleyes:
How come some one whos been around for as long as you have be so stupid?
You dont want theses type of threads on the boards YET you keep posting in them maybe you should stop

LongTooth · « **Reply #127 on:** February 13, 2003, 02:09:18 pm »

Hooch chutt I got what I came for dave gave the reply thats enough for me

KATChuutRitt · « **Reply #128 on:** February 13, 2003, 02:43:24 pm »

Roger Longtooth

As I stated before my invitation was intended as my last post on it unless I see another "bump" from those asking it be dropped with an insulting remark attatched.

SSCF Hooch · « **Reply #130 on:** February 13, 2003, 05:18:31 pm »

Really? I foster ill will, now that is odd. I suppose this reply to me does not?

You would toss me?

Why, what have I said about Taldren, it's games, or it's staff that are not positive.

For the record, those who got hammered with the "death penalty" might have gotten what was coming to them. Taldren is completely within their rights to ban anybody for anything.

You want my true motivations about all of this...fine, here it is. You asked, so now I am telling you and the whole of these forums, my true, evil, discord bringing, and hate filled desire to see these men allowed back into these forums.

I was NOT asking in the name of free speech, nope you got it all wrong Jerry.

I was, as a Christain, was asking for mercy for them.

Now, am I a good Christain? No very, but I try.

It was for the example that Jesus always showed toward those who deserved judgement and yet showed them mercy and forgiveness, that is why I was asking. I was hoping that like your humor to me, which I missed, many would see the point I was really making was about how we as Christains should respond to personal and vile attacks without starting a whole thread on the merits of Christain faith. I am sorry you missed that, just as you are sorry i missed your humor.

Well thats it, I did because of my faith pure and simple, not the best faith or the most informed faith. My faith is very simple but very fierce. I belive in mercy, I belive in forgviness, I belive that I am a man who has only the cross and the hope it gives me that there is mercy and hope in it. We as Christains are commanded to do NO LESS than what Jesus did, to point of asking God almighty to forgive the very ones that were killing him on a Roman cross.

"How many times shall I forgive a man, he asked, Seven times as the law commands? Jesus answered, I say to you, you shall forgive a man seventy times seven"

"Father forgive our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass aginst us"

"A woman pleaded with a judge for justice and he refused her, she kept going to the judge eveyday to him asking for justice, finally he said "I will give this woman that what she seeks"

That was and has been my example and my hope in all of this.

Do people of conviction offend you?

Do people who are willing to pay the price of conviction scare you as well?

Do I belive in free speech...yes, but not personal attacks on people who make games for us to enjoy, do I belive in making the games better...yes, but only by civil discourse and the sharing of ideas.

I have never endorsed their comments, never.

I stand only on what I belive the Holy Spirit has lead me to do here about this issue. Yes...you read it right... I am saying that I belive that I was called by the Holy Spirit to lead this issue and this effort and I am willing to pay the price for it.

Well here I am, blast away, I suspect you could ban me or get somebody who could do it for you.

Now please be sure to mock my faith and call me a horrible example of Christainity, all of you that think I am being a moron or a jerk, or a public pain in the rump.

Since you left me your name to make it real, I will do so for you as well.

If you want to really call me names and threaten me I will PM my phone number to you.

Byron

David Ferrell · « **Reply #131 on:** February 13, 2003, 05:45:23 pm »

Can we all just relax?

I never thought about banning anyone for asking to have someone
reinstated. I don't remember anyone being insulting or contentious until
now.

BTW Moderators exsist solely to delete the kind of pornographic garbage that
hit the forums late in 02, if it should ever appear again.

Thanks,

Dave

ChamadaIV · « **Reply #132 on:** February 13, 2003, 06:01:58 pm »

I'm sorry for jumping in like this, but I too am a believer in the Holy Spirit. Hooch's argument holds strength of heart, and I truly respect that. However, ToastyO's...well, how shall I call it...sophistic remarks also hold a manner of truth not to be ignored.

Ultimately, hard feelings over meager comments and simple words (like Mr. Ferell's banning of Kai Lee for example) only creates conflict to the degree of which I am seeing here right now. Harsh words needn't be exchanged personally, gentlemen. Yes, I'm attempting to be the voice of reason here. Indiscriminate bannings of "undesireables" fits well with the dictorial and imperialistic ways of the empries of old, not in today's society.

As hard as it is to do, the best way to deal with the criticisms of others is simply to let them be, and MOVE ON. You've got to be open-minded and stoic when dealing with such things, especially in real life but also on such things as these chat boards.

As Hooch says should be done, FORGIVE, and let be. Open hostility will achieve nothing in the end.

That is all. Quote me as you all wish. I've nothing to be ashamed of, I've said what I felt I needed to say....

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #134 on:** February 13, 2003, 06:49:40 pm »

Are we on about porn or bad porn? I was exposed to mild amounts of porn from an early age and it did me no arm

In all seriousness moderators need to exist on message boards which allow pictures and dont have a swear filter. Just in case someone starts going over the top!

Tantalus · « **Reply #135 on:** February 13, 2003, 07:08:30 pm »

All a little silly really.....

As for the Moderators.... you should remember exactly why you are in this forum as a moderator and not overstep your status when responding to people - it can be hard not to sound a little arrogant when your name is in bliue it seems....

David, I see that you have an SFC3.Net link to their forums on the bottom of this forum. Can you please do the same for SFC2.Net? I will PM you the details if you wish.

As for those who disagree and support Taldren on this matter... you would be making life nicer around here if you simply left the thread alione. That way you would see far less of it instead of creating an atmosphere and a need to respond to negative comments.... like this one heh.

Far more serious things going on in this world at present than to worry about something as trivial as this.

I look forward to hearing from you Dave.

Toasty0 · « **Reply #138 on:** February 13, 2003, 08:10:32 pm »

Same here. I had SFC2.net linked from my site as well when the link became broken. I was under the impresion that the site had been shutdown due to a lack of funds and only recently discovered otherwise.

Please feel free to email me at Toasty0@toasty0.com

Best,
Jerry

Cruis.In · « **Reply #142 on:** February 14, 2003, 01:27:12 am »

can't we all just get along?

TheSatyr · « **Reply #143 on:** February 14, 2003, 02:24:01 am »

Next thing ya know some Mirak will start posting kitty porn,then it'll be the end of civilization as we know it.

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