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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2004, 08:46:45 pm »
   This is how the 1701 refit should of looked liked more resembling its TOS look.Then 1701-A could of looked like TMP version.That is a nice model . 8)

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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2004, 08:51:38 pm »
I disagree with Age... I half-thought that something like this was in the TOS-era anyway as an "X-Ship"... I figured the U.S.S. Constitution would go through her refits for newer technology, and then be refitted completely as the TMP vessel alongside Enterprise, but easier-to-refit, yet with all those bugs it seems coincidential the Constitution's sister ship had to go alone after V'Ger (or something like that). *shrug* That's how I view it. :)

And with how I view it that way, I would view this ship more of an F-XCA than an F-CC+.  Nevertheless, you've done a beautiful job Schtupp.

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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2004, 09:00:01 pm »
Some food for thought: Take a look at this picture from this website, and tell me what you think about the design of the third ship schematic in the picture.  I really like it, it's TMP-like while keeping the TOS design of the Constitution-class mostly.

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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2004, 12:40:09 am »
I always thought those engines would've looked better if they were inverted, so that the end tapers up instead of down:

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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2004, 12:59:50 am »
No exhaustive tests and experimentation has confirmed the fact that this configuration makes the warp controller thrust-line too far above the tangental axis of the warp field bow front resulting in lost maneuvering efficiency - duh ::)



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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2004, 01:02:21 am »
lol  ;D

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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2004, 06:14:24 am »
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wow

But seriuosly, IMHO this ship is great. Its a great FCX for between TOS and TMP. Even though i dont like X-ships

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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2004, 10:00:25 am »
Another excellent model from Lord Schtupp.  :thumbsup:
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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2004, 07:04:35 pm »
hey I see WZ has revised the alt configuration drawing; that looks good - hmm maybe those tests were wrong....

wow

But seriuosly, IMHO this ship is great. Its a great FCX for between TOS and TMP. Even though i dont like X-ships

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But sir, if the VP is such a VIP, shouldn't we keep his PC on the QT, 'cause if it leaks to the VC he could end up an MIA and then we'd all be put on the KP ASAP.

lol luv that movie... I usually considered the TMP connie and technology to be the "X-Ship" or advanced SFC OP tech level, so this is a "late" TOS tech level. I had to use the FCX ui because the FCA ui just doesnt have enough phaser hardpoints, most of the fed uis are short in the hardpoint dept.

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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2004, 07:29:59 pm »
3ds or lwo plz schtupp :)
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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2004, 08:20:32 pm »
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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2004, 09:12:36 pm »
Oh yeah, Monitor is going in-game ASAP.
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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2004, 08:43:32 am »
That is some damn Nice work Schtupp :)  Ill let you slide this time on the inward curve on the bottom of the secondary hull being as this is a refit :D  I never understood why people put that curve on connie hulls when it doesnt exist on the 11 footer, then i realized that the 3 footer has that curve, and alot the schematics ive seen were based off the 3 footer, or the AMT model which also was based off the 3 footer.

In any case nicely done, nacelles defininetly give it distinction.

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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2004, 01:02:12 pm »
The curve's also on the hideously bad FJ schematics, it just makes the ship look like it's got a beer-belly, if such a thing can be said about a spaceship.
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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2004, 01:47:56 pm »
So, Schtupp, are you transitioning towards the TMP era now?


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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2004, 05:55:49 pm »
Well, I'm transitioning towards TUC myself. ;D

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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2004, 06:17:41 pm »
Mariner, where'd you get that TMP era emblem from? could you send me the files perchance?

Oh and what's with the font? Do you not have the Starfleet bold extended font? I can send it to you if you don't have it.
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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2004, 06:51:35 pm »
Mariner, where'd you get that TMP era emblem from? could you send me the files perchance?

Oh and what's with the font? Do you not have the Starfleet bold extended font? I can send it to you if you don't have it.


Belive it or not, that arrowhead is actually a Microsoft Word creation, layered into a word document containing the full sized texture. Just click a screengrab and then deposit the changes in the right place in the real texture and bingo, a Starfleet Arrowhead without PSP. ;D

I can send you the zip file containing the word document (the zip is <40kb and the document itself is only 84kb) which i use to do all my editing. If you want, I'll send the korolev modification files too.

I have the normal TMP-style font (Starfleet Bold Extended it says,) but the Jeffries font used here is supposed to mimic the microgramma font on the unused (but finished) Phase II model.

See photos of that model here: http://www.starshipbuilder.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000014.html

Suffice to say, I do think the Microgramma font is kind of bad looking, it's too "round" for me. Jeffries Extended looks nicer since it's based off of Starfleet Bold Ext. The only problem is that it's a bit thin, which is cured since word can add outlines to the font to make it beefier.

I'm interested in making the hull color TMP white, so that it'll reflect what the Korolev might've looked like during TUC (they refitted everything else anyways.)
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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2004, 07:19:58 pm »
Cool, could you send me the files (include the Korloev modification too if you can) I like to see how other people do modifications like this, most of my texture alteration work is fairly basic and it's nice to get some additional skills now and then.

I never noticed the Phase II had not outline on the regs, I don't like to use that font though as it's too similar to Microgramma which is the DS9/Voyager era font for a lot of ships.

I've already actually started modifying the textures on this one, done regs for a USS Sicilia and plan to add some weathering to the rather pristine looking secondary hull and nacelles, and possibly even swap the bridge out for the phase II style one on WZ's Ptolemy, maybe.
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Re: USS Monitor FCC+ Refit >>>>> Available for Download
« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2004, 07:26:45 pm »
I have to say, Mariner, I've seen a lot of Phase 2 reference (I was around when TheStressPuppy built his ;) ) and those pics have never come up.  :D  I would have to guess that this might be when they were trying to rebuild the TV model for the movie, before they realized that it wouldn't work, and that it would have to be done from scratch?  I've been trying to find the pics that I've seen of the Phase 2 TV model under construction, but I can't seem to manage it...   :-\
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