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#### Lord Schtupp

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« on: December 09, 2004, 02:06:32 am »
USS Monitor FCC+ Command Cruiser Refit
Launch Date: 2275

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USES FCX UI

BPV=173

Shields 40-30-30-30 = 190

Warp 18+18=36

hp1   2 phot FA
hp2   2 phot FA
hp3   1 DroG 2
hp4   1 DroG 2

hp11   2 Ph1 ALL
hp12   2 Ph1 FRRX
hp13    2 Ph1 FLLX
hp14   2 Ph1 FH
hp15   2 Ph1 FH
hp16   2 Ph1 RH

More textures coming soon...

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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2004, 03:29:35 am »
WOW what a model

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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2004, 06:04:07 am »
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2004, 06:23:27 am »
Very nicely done indeed
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2004, 07:41:38 am »
Dam that looks great. Highly interesting, especially the nacelles.

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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2004, 07:46:47 am »
Dam that looks great. Highly interesting, especially the nacelles.

agreed..  not too sure about the nacelle caps ....  (but that's cool) ..  the rest is really super.  I especially find the bussards interesting !

over all ...  excelllent job sir !!

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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2004, 08:05:12 am »
Another triumph Lord Schtupp... very nice job indeed....

I had a feeling you'd release this soon when I spotted it in your sig.....

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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2004, 08:31:06 am »
What a ship !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2004, 08:41:28 am »
That is one beautiful FCC+!!

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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2004, 09:14:14 am »
Very, very nice! Absolutely marvelous!
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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2004, 09:35:49 am »
Absolutely beautiful!

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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2004, 10:23:33 am »
Nice model But get the Antaries and that Carrier in your wip section done dood. The Antaries been in wip mode too long.

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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2004, 10:44:26 am »
Very good job. I personally Like the Nacelle caps To be honest.

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#### Lord Schtupp

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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2004, 12:40:06 pm »
Thanks all, I cant take the credit/blame for the warp nacelle design, there are several drawings on shipschematics.net that feature this warp. Funny but I didnt like this warp either until I actually started to mesh it, It grows on you. Its a good TOS-TMP transitition design. This is the plan I worked from and as you can see I added a few of my own details to help get her closer to the TMP era:

Note that here they are inside out (IMO) with the intercoolers facing out, I didnt like that so changed them to and added outboard grilles. I like the way the torp launcher came out

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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2004, 01:23:18 pm »
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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2004, 03:19:47 pm »
I was wondering when you were going to Schtuppify that design. Definitely fits into the pre-TMP design lineage.
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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2004, 03:32:29 pm »
that is a1 stuff..... fantastic

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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2004, 04:58:58 pm »
Thanks all, I cant take the credit/blame for the warp nacelle design, there are several drawings on shipschematics.net that feature this warp. Funny but I didn't like this warp either until I actually started to mesh it, It grows on you. Its a good TOS-TMP transitition design. This is the plan I worked from and as you can see I added a few of my own details to help get her closer to the TMP era:

I like it! In a few minutes it will become the companion model to Atrahasis's Endeavor. To my thinking it makes for an excellent Federation fast cruiser because of the nacelles representing the 'Hot Warps'. Perhaps not what they were intended for but it makes visual sense to me. It's models like this that make Starfleet Command a better game. I also think it more than a little funny that this came out of nowhere.

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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2004, 05:18:29 pm »
Very nice, I like that you didn't just follow the schematics which lets face it are kinda fugly being based on the Franz Joseph version of the Connie. Another cool touch is the dark blue ring on the saucer shaped like the one on the Ambassador. It would be cool to see another step in the evolution inbetween this and the TMP Enterprise class, with the beefed-up saucer and more of the secondary hull rebuilt, the 'Phase II' Connie is nice but it's still too TOS-lookinh to be the more advanced replacement for this.
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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2004, 05:35:26 pm »
Just when I thought I was going to stop D/L on Feds...you or WZ come out with another,awesome as usual.
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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2004, 08:46:45 pm »
This is how the 1701 refit should of looked liked more resembling its TOS look.Then 1701-A could of looked like TMP version.That is a nice model .

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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2004, 08:51:38 pm »
I disagree with Age... I half-thought that something like this was in the TOS-era anyway as an "X-Ship"... I figured the U.S.S. Constitution would go through her refits for newer technology, and then be refitted completely as the TMP vessel alongside Enterprise, but easier-to-refit, yet with all those bugs it seems coincidential the Constitution's sister ship had to go alone after V'Ger (or something like that). *shrug* That's how I view it.

And with how I view it that way, I would view this ship more of an F-XCA than an F-CC+.  Nevertheless, you've done a beautiful job Schtupp.

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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2004, 09:00:01 pm »
Some food for thought: Take a look at this picture from this website, and tell me what you think about the design of the third ship schematic in the picture.  I really like it, it's TMP-like while keeping the TOS design of the Constitution-class mostly.

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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2004, 12:40:09 am »
I always thought those engines would've looked better if they were inverted, so that the end tapers up instead of down:

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#### Lord Schtupp

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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2004, 12:59:50 am »
No exhaustive tests and experimentation has confirmed the fact that this configuration makes the warp controller thrust-line too far above the tangental axis of the warp field bow front resulting in lost maneuvering efficiency - duh

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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2004, 01:02:21 am »
lol

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« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2004, 06:14:24 am »
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wow

But seriuosly, IMHO this ship is great. Its a great FCX for between TOS and TMP. Even though i dont like X-ships

But sir, if the VP is such a VIP, shouldn't we keep his PC on the QT, 'cause if it leaks to the VC he could end up an MIA and then we'd all be put on the KP ASAP.
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« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2004, 10:00:25 am »
Another excellent model from Lord Schtupp.
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« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2004, 07:04:35 pm »
hey I see WZ has revised the alt configuration drawing; that looks good - hmm maybe those tests were wrong....

wow

But seriuosly, IMHO this ship is great. Its a great FCX for between TOS and TMP. Even though i dont like X-ships

But sir, if the VP is such a VIP, shouldn't we keep his PC on the QT, 'cause if it leaks to the VC he could end up an MIA and then we'd all be put on the KP ASAP.

lol luv that movie... I usually considered the TMP connie and technology to be the "X-Ship" or advanced SFC OP tech level, so this is a "late" TOS tech level. I had to use the FCX ui because the FCA ui just doesnt have enough phaser hardpoints, most of the fed uis are short in the hardpoint dept.

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« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2004, 07:29:59 pm »
3ds or lwo plz schtupp
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« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2004, 08:20:32 pm »
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« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2004, 09:12:36 pm »
Oh yeah, Monitor is going in-game ASAP.
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« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2004, 08:43:32 am »
That is some damn Nice work Schtupp   Ill let you slide this time on the inward curve on the bottom of the secondary hull being as this is a refit   I never understood why people put that curve on connie hulls when it doesnt exist on the 11 footer, then i realized that the 3 footer has that curve, and alot the schematics ive seen were based off the 3 footer, or the AMT model which also was based off the 3 footer.

In any case nicely done, nacelles defininetly give it distinction.

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« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2004, 01:02:12 pm »
The curve's also on the hideously bad FJ schematics, it just makes the ship look like it's got a beer-belly, if such a thing can be said about a spaceship.
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« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2004, 01:47:56 pm »
So, Schtupp, are you transitioning towards the TMP era now?

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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2004, 05:55:49 pm »
Well, I'm transitioning towards TUC myself.

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Amazing how Jeffries Extended with a bold outline can match Microgramma in looks.

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« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2004, 06:17:41 pm »
Mariner, where'd you get that TMP era emblem from? could you send me the files perchance?

Oh and what's with the font? Do you not have the Starfleet bold extended font? I can send it to you if you don't have it.
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« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2004, 06:51:35 pm »
Mariner, where'd you get that TMP era emblem from? could you send me the files perchance?

Oh and what's with the font? Do you not have the Starfleet bold extended font? I can send it to you if you don't have it.

Belive it or not, that arrowhead is actually a Microsoft Word creation, layered into a word document containing the full sized texture. Just click a screengrab and then deposit the changes in the right place in the real texture and bingo, a Starfleet Arrowhead without PSP.

I can send you the zip file containing the word document (the zip is <40kb and the document itself is only 84kb) which i use to do all my editing. If you want, I'll send the korolev modification files too.

I have the normal TMP-style font (Starfleet Bold Extended it says,) but the Jeffries font used here is supposed to mimic the microgramma font on the unused (but finished) Phase II model.

See photos of that model here: http://www.starshipbuilder.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000014.html

Suffice to say, I do think the Microgramma font is kind of bad looking, it's too "round" for me. Jeffries Extended looks nicer since it's based off of Starfleet Bold Ext. The only problem is that it's a bit thin, which is cured since word can add outlines to the font to make it beefier.

I'm interested in making the hull color TMP white, so that it'll reflect what the Korolev might've looked like during TUC (they refitted everything else anyways.)
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« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2004, 07:19:58 pm »
Cool, could you send me the files (include the Korloev modification too if you can) I like to see how other people do modifications like this, most of my texture alteration work is fairly basic and it's nice to get some additional skills now and then.

I never noticed the Phase II had not outline on the regs, I don't like to use that font though as it's too similar to Microgramma which is the DS9/Voyager era font for a lot of ships.

I've already actually started modifying the textures on this one, done regs for a USS Sicilia and plan to add some weathering to the rather pristine looking secondary hull and nacelles, and possibly even swap the bridge out for the phase II style one on WZ's Ptolemy, maybe.
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« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2004, 07:26:45 pm »
I have to say, Mariner, I've seen a lot of Phase 2 reference (I was around when TheStressPuppy built his ) and those pics have never come up.    I would have to guess that this might be when they were trying to rebuild the TV model for the movie, before they realized that it wouldn't work, and that it would have to be done from scratch?  I've been trying to find the pics that I've seen of the Phase 2 TV model under construction, but I can't seem to manage it...
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« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2004, 07:34:35 pm »
Actually Stress did his based on an early concept study model, those pics are the final TV model and the model is only about 4-foot long, the TMP model we know and love is twice that size, they're completely different models.

'What happened to the original 4-foot model next is anyone's guess. But now, thanks to CG artist and "archivist" Mark Dickson, here are some extremely rare behind-the-scenes photos of the miniature when it was almost ready for filming. Thanks Mark!'

from that page. You can see it is very different from the study model everyone regards as the Phase II Enterprise - that famous pic of the yellow model with the deflector and torpedo launchers missing
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« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2004, 08:08:14 pm »
You can see it is very different from the study model everyone regards as the Phase II Enterprise - that famous pic of the yellow model with the deflector and torpedo launchers missing

Yep, that's the one...  and it's the only one pictured in my book on the Phase 2 series...  which is why I'm wondering what the heck the deal is...  one would think that, if the Reese-Stevenses are hooked up enough to become "Enterprise" story editors, why wouldn't they have been able to find these pics?

(apologies to LS for participating in this thread hijack, BTW )
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« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2004, 08:10:49 pm »
judging by the info on that page it seems these only came into the public domain recently, maybe they were lying forgotten in some basement with the unsold copies of Bill Shatner's album.
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« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2004, 08:12:34 pm »
Cool, could you send me the files (include the Korloev modification too if you can) I like to see how other people do modifications like this, most of my texture alteration work is fairly basic and it's nice to get some additional skills now and then.

I never noticed the Phase II had not outline on the regs, I don't like to use that font though as it's too similar to Microgramma which is the DS9/Voyager era font for a lot of ships.

I've already actually started modifying the textures on this one, done regs for a USS Sicilia and plan to add some weathering to the rather pristine looking secondary hull and nacelles, and possibly even swap the bridge out for the phase II style one on WZ's Ptolemy, maybe.

I actually pretend that Voyager, the Defiant, and the (hideous!) E-E have the normal Starfleet Bold Ext for the name, because I'm that kind of person. F*ck canon ship "asthetics" (or lack thereof), especially with First Contact. That pretty much threw the notion of "sane" vessel designs out the window. Eaves cannot design his way through a paper bag, as the FC Cube, E-E, and his designs for the next two films prove. (He apparently does a bit better with Vulcan ships as ENT proves [though I doubt that they are his and not Doug Drexlers, who designed the Surak from Season 1 anyway], but the other races stil bear his trademark "suckitude" motif.) For what it's worth, the art department has really lost in general after Generations. They don't give a sh*t about anykind of style anymore except "üb3R-f0cK1n6 k3w1," no matter how bad it looks. The bastards deserve to be flogged to death.

I miss Andy Probert and Rick Sternbach. Atleast Voyager itself wasn't a bad design.

I'll try and email all the files to you by tomorrow or tuesday.
You can see it is very different from the study model everyone regards as the Phase II Enterprise - that famous pic of the yellow model with the deflector and torpedo launchers missing

Yep, that's the one... and it's the only one pictured in my book on the Phase 2 series... which is why I'm wondering what the heck the deal is... one would think that, if the Reese-Stevenses are hooked up enough to become "Enterprise" story editors, why wouldn't they have been able to find these pics?

(apologies to LS for participating in this thread hijack, BTW )

Well, consdiering that the Montior is pretty much a Phase II ship anyway I don't think we've gotten that far off course.

judging by the info on that page it seems these only came into the public domain recently, maybe they were lying forgotten in some basement with the unsold copies of Bill Shatner's album.

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« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2004, 09:00:02 pm »
judging by the info on that page it seems these only came into the public domain recently, maybe they were lying forgotten in some basement with the unsold copies of Bill Shatner's album.

If that were the case, then I doubt they ever would have been found--that's WAY too much clutter to sort through...

I have to say that I personally don't mind the Ent-E, and that Mr. Eave's proto-Klingon-battlecruiser (http://www.stguardian.to/mixed/predesign/klingonretro.jpg)http://www.stguardian.to/mixed/predesign/klingonretro.jpg) is a damned sight better than ANYTHING ELSE Klingon we've seen on Enterprise, which admittedly ain't sayin' much...

(sigh, sooner or later, I'm going to hijack this thread far enough to violate the Patriot Act... )
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« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2004, 12:36:03 am »

Here's a wet dream: the Monitor design with TSP Connie parts...ohh yeah.

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« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2004, 11:32:31 am »
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« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2004, 08:34:25 pm »
I hate to jump in like this, but that phase 2 model was a mock up for some trek exhibit in las vegas. The "True" phase 2 models construction was never finished, and it was scrapped when the show became ST:TMP.

I stumbled on pics of that model when i was looking for phase 2 reference on the IDIC page, and it referred to being built for a star trek experience exhibit some time ago. That model obviosly looks like a Phase 2/ TMP hybrid. In fact the only thing that looks any different is the nacelles. Sorry to burst any bubbles, but thats not the true phase 2 ship.

EDIT: sorry schtuppy for assisting in the hijack
I dont think l schtupp feels too good right now, about the thought of his model being bashed together with mine. I know i gave open permissions to bash away, but schtupp may not have. Also  Im not in any competition for "who builds the best connie model", I just built that ship cause i wanted to build it. Schtupp builds some damn nice models IMO, and we get together on occasion to compare reference sources. I consider him a personal friend, and i think it would be better if you plan on "bashing" our work together to ask in private 1st.
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« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2004, 08:41:01 pm »
It doesn't help the case for those pics, BTW, that they got the name of the guy who built the Phase 2 TV model (that half-finished yellow one ) wrong--it was a dude by the name of Brick Price.
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« Reply #49 on: December 21, 2004, 04:15:40 am »
I like both your models... awsome... oh and LS just looking around your website and YOUR WIP's look awsome

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« Reply #50 on: December 21, 2004, 06:24:10 am »
So, Schtupp, are you transitioning towards the TMP era now?

Nope its best to leave TMP to the masters.

Anyway I started a transition to the Steam Era where Im gonna try my hand at Steam Locomotive models for the Auren Trainz simulator. A Southern Pacific AC12 4-8-8-2 Cab Forward in fact. But Im not leaving here.

I'm developing a new TOS subrace, an unseen fleet of ships of which is mentioned in TOS. Top Secret of course, very hush-hush.

oh yea and I have a huge pile of unfinished models too of course.

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« Reply #51 on: December 21, 2004, 06:27:19 am »
In case anybody's interested: This is a Phase Ib vessel, where it was discovered among other things that adding slight curvature to the secondary hull bottom adds .000000000000000132% to overall warp field generation efficiency.

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« Reply #52 on: December 21, 2004, 10:18:56 am »
That's nice, but could you make your Constitution model .000000000000000132% less efficient? LOL Look forward to seeing the top secret race when they're revealed, oh and the Antares if you finish it.
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« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2004, 12:53:04 pm »
Odd - nobody has ever complained before about its "efficiency" even though that model's been out for over 2 years.

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« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2004, 01:29:55 pm »
LOL, I saw the bulge when I first d/led it but thought I'd be hounded as a geek for suggesting that it should be corrected.
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« Reply #55 on: December 21, 2004, 03:41:23 pm »
Actually, That explanation makes perfect sense   Federation realized with the original config connie that they could get a slightly higher speed if the just curved the hull a bit more. Even the slightest speed boost could make all the difference. hence why we started seeing more curvy ships from the phase 2-TMP eras. Brilliant

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« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2004, 05:56:44 pm »

I've already actually started modifying the textures on this one, done regs for a USS Sicilia and plan to add some weathering to the rather pristine looking secondary hull and nacelles, and possibly even swap the bridge out for the phase II style one on WZ's Ptolemy, maybe.

That would look cool. Blanket permission granted on kitbash releases btw...

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« Reply #57 on: December 24, 2004, 03:45:27 pm »
This ship is just TOO COOL.

I am currently using the Atra Endeavor as a fed CAI. I also cobled up a + refit.

I am going to fetch this model now.

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« Reply #59 on: June 20, 2005, 08:19:35 am »

Superb workmanship ...  from start to finish !  Something us beginners need to remind our selves of ...  to strive for excellence !

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« Reply #60 on: June 20, 2005, 09:11:08 am »
Wow that compliment is better than the model itself lol Thanks buzzard (reminds me I need to update my website. the only dl links available are at the beginning of this thread. Doh!)

Ive been messing around whith this light cruiser design for a few months now, but Ive been so nitpicky that its difficult to get it finshed, esp with reallife issue and whatnot:

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« Reply #61 on: June 20, 2005, 10:41:42 am »
I like that one.  It looks pretty much finished to me, but if you can improve on it, then by all means do so.

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« Reply #62 on: June 20, 2005, 10:48:40 am »
Its mainly the textureing and cutting up the mesh for mapping thats holding it up. Ive showed this over at Atras forum for a while now and I have received some good suggestions over there.

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« Reply #63 on: June 20, 2005, 10:53:17 am »
Very very nice ship !!!!!!
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« Reply #64 on: June 20, 2005, 11:19:37 am »
That Aurora is looking slick.  Have you considered re-redoing your Connie in light of the new(er) version seen on ENT with the aft weapons?

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« Reply #65 on: June 20, 2005, 12:07:47 pm »
That Aurora is looking slick. Have you considered re-redoing your Connie in light of the new(er) version seen on ENT with the aft weapons?

No dammit I havnt seen it (i dont get UPN), but I sure would like to see some good screencaps of that. I have been working on my Connie V2.0, all new mesh based on the casimiro plans seen here mapped to the hull. The warp engines here are the old ones but they will be all new as well. I'll try to do a full set of regs + blanks as i usually do. I havnt forgot about the Hornet

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« Reply #66 on: June 20, 2005, 12:33:16 pm »
I assume the hull is slightly modifed from the plans, as well as the B/C deck, so account for their slightly inaccurate shapes? I rmember you giving a long dictation on "Conny Blueprint Quality" back when TSP made his.
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« Reply #67 on: June 20, 2005, 12:37:59 pm »
Hey Schtupp, would you mind a (small, large, depends on your view of things) critique about the Aurora?

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« Reply #68 on: June 20, 2005, 12:45:41 pm »
Hey Schtupp, would you mind a (small, large, depends on your view of things) critique about the Aurora?

I doubt you've convered things as nitpickily as I have, but why not?

BTW, if it's about the bussards on the second pic, ignore them. The most recent WIP is the one with IaMD style bussards, which I suggested.
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« Reply #69 on: June 20, 2005, 12:49:39 pm »
I assume the hull is slightly modifed from the plans, as well as the B/C deck, so account for their slightly inaccurate shapes? I rmember you giving a long dictation on "Conny Blueprint Quality" back when TSP made his.

No not really (a bit perhaps). TSP was more right than I was it turns out. After much further study of new pics of the model I decided that the casimiro plans are pretty much right on the money. The only spot that I feel is inaccurate is the primary intermix/intercooler on casimiros warp engine. Im sure that it is closer to parallel to the centerline of the nacelle than he has it, but thats about all. THis mesh isnt final either. One things for sure its a LOT more accurate than my V1.0, built using the handdrawn everhart plans, the most accurate available at the time (2002)

In my comparison, I overlayed the sinclair plans with the casimiro plans in photoshop (all views), then studied the differences and compared those with new pics of the studio model that TSP sent me links to.

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« Reply #70 on: June 20, 2005, 12:51:24 pm »
Hey Schtupp, would you mind a (small, large, depends on your view of things) critique about the Aurora?

No not at all. Whats on your mind?

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« Reply #71 on: June 20, 2005, 12:55:08 pm »
Hey Schtupp, would you mind a (small, large, depends on your view of things) critique about the Aurora?

I doubt you've convered things as nitpickily as I have, but why not?

BTW, if it's about the bussards on the second pic, ignore them. The most recent WIP is the one with IaMD style bussards, which I suggested.

Geez THATS for sure lol!

Mariner class has helped make it a better ship, that much is certain. Note that the diiferent pics are at different stages of development, the top one is most current.

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« Reply #72 on: June 20, 2005, 02:11:00 pm »
No dammit I havnt seen it (i dont get UPN), but I sure would like to see some good screencaps of that. I have been working on my Connie V2.0, all new mesh based on the casimiro plans seen here mapped to the hull. The warp engines here are the old ones but they will be all new as well. I'll try to do a full set of regs + blanks as i usually do. I havnt forgot about the Hornet

Meh, forget the Hornet.  I've recently developed a fondness for the Yorktown.

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« Reply #73 on: June 20, 2005, 03:12:11 pm »
The Kitty Hawk can beat the sh*t out of both.
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« Reply #74 on: June 20, 2005, 03:35:30 pm »
Wow that compliment is better than the model itself lol Thanks buzzard (reminds me I need to update my website. the only dl links available are at the beginning of this thread. Doh!)

Ive been messing around whith this light cruiser design for a few months now, but Ive been so nitpicky that its difficult to get it finshed, esp with reallife issue and whatnot:

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« Reply #75 on: June 20, 2005, 09:04:01 pm »
Man! I keep saying "enough FEDS" Then without hesitation d/l anything schtupp and wz make. It figures...just as i gave up on the Antares... this thead shows up. I just (yesterday) finished bashing one of your fed transports into a tos frigate to fill the slot. Guess thats why we have a recycle bin.

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« Reply #76 on: June 20, 2005, 09:11:25 pm »
Hey Schtupp, would you mind a (small, large, depends on your view of things) critique about the Aurora?

No not at all. Whats on your mind?

[Uncovers garbage can and stands up]

First off, I really like the way it looks... and that's kind of the problem!  It doesn't quite smell TOS; it has more the aroma of TNG.  Allow me to clarify- my first impression was that it reminded quite a lot of the post-TNG Sovereign (Ent-E).  Now, I'd d/l it and play it as is just because it's pretty to look at.  But I'd also be thinking of finding a Borg cube to kick the crap out of in a TOS mod... I guess I'd never finish any missions!

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Uh, anyone else with that perception??

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« Reply #77 on: June 20, 2005, 10:04:22 pm »
You know, E, maybe it's just the chair that got smashed into my head talking, but now that you mention it, it does vaguely look like the Sovereign.  Vaguely, mind you; might not look that way when my brain's no longer concussed.

Oh, and Schtupp, one question: what's the difference between Connie 1.0 and 2.0, for those of us who don't have comparison pics handy?  And would somebody hook this man up with some HDTV screencaps of the ship from ENT?

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« Reply #78 on: June 20, 2005, 11:01:52 pm »
Just gotta mention this.. this is a stellar lookin ship... going to have some fun playing with it.
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« Reply #79 on: June 20, 2005, 11:24:19 pm »
You know, E, maybe it's just the chair that got smashed into my head talking, but now that you mention it, it does vaguely look like the Sovereign.  Vaguely, mind you; might not look that way when my brain's no longer concussed.

Oh, and Schtupp, one question: what's the difference between Connie 1.0 and 2.0, for those of us who don't have comparison pics handy?  And would somebody hook this man up with some HDTV screencaps of the ship from ENT?

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« Reply #80 on: June 21, 2005, 12:46:52 am »
Are these pics showing the aft mounted weapons as mentioned above?

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« Reply #81 on: June 21, 2005, 06:31:14 am »
Yae, they be the ones from IAMD, though that version is grossly underarmed, only has the front phaasers and torps seen in TOS and those rear phasers, no others are seen and they're all mysteriously 'hidden' until used like on the NX-01

Re: the Aurora, I think the reason some people get the impression of a Sovereign class, is the very smooth transition between the B/C deck superstructure and the engineering hull, the hull smoothly covers the back of the saucer and joins into the back of the bridge module, obviously the Sovereign doesn't have a module as it's such a big ship but the same shape is evident on that ship, the engineering hull continues fairly smoothly into the saucer (at least it does so completely on the fugly Nemesis version - CGI suxxorz the big one1111!!!) Fortunately for your ship all the other views aside from the top show the very different proportions of the 2 hulls. I like the hull the way it is myself.

P.S. the new Connie looks very sweet, are those details your textures of just the Casimiro plans layed over the mesh? Speaking of the plans, I've not had a chance to compare them with photos of the studio model, do you have any pics of the areas you think he got wrong?
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« Reply #82 on: June 21, 2005, 10:27:19 am »

P.S. the new Connie looks very sweet, are those details your textures of just the Casimiro plans layed over the mesh? Speaking of the plans, I've not had a chance to compare them with photos of the studio model, do you have any pics of the areas you think he got wrong?

The only area is in the top view of the casimiro plans; the primary intercooler should definatly be parallel to the outer warp nacelle hull. but in the major areas such as saucer cross-section, engineering hull shape, b/c decks, shuttle bay etc. casimiro pretty much nailed it. This I was able to determine this thanks to TSP giving me a new source of studio model photos. I spent hours researching and making the photoshop comparison. Oh and Yes - they are just the plans mapped to the hull. This ensures accuracy of the mesh. I dont even want to go into how much my V1.0 mesh was off!. I have a 5000 poly target. I really need to get a pair of ACCURATE warps going so as to fit them to the Kittyhawk , Ptyor Velikovy, Mars and one or two other models I have going.
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« Reply #83 on: June 21, 2005, 11:08:31 am »
I never compared the Aurora to a Sovereign-class, but I do see a trait or two.  The only traits worth noticing being the torpedo launchers near the center of the ventral area of the saucer, actually a Constitution-class trait, but more Sovvie-like due to visibility.  Also, no "neck" area and a secondary hull thinner as you near the end of it.  But still, it's no Sovereign-class.  If anything, the Sovereign should be compared to the Aurora due to the Sovvie's retroized design, as it looks out of place in TNG-era Starfleet design lineage.  But I digress...

Here's a pic from that same website Schtupp dug up a couple of pictures from.  It clearly shows the "ball points" of where they are located, reminicient of the aft phasers from the Constitution-class refit.  So far, you're doing a nice job with re-doing your Constitution-class.  The engines in that WIP pic, look weathered and somewhat more-detailed I think, a plus in my book if that's what you intended.  Otherwise, it could just be my eyes need a checkup again.

As I've seen the Aurora WIP pics before, you know how much I like the Aurora.

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« Reply #84 on: June 21, 2005, 11:22:48 am »
I never compared the Aurora to a Sovereign-class, but I do see a trait or two.  The only traits worth noticing being the torpedo launchers near the center of the ventral area of the saucer, actually a Constitution-class trait, but more Sovvie-like due to visibility.  Also, no "neck" area and a secondary hull thinner as you near the end of it.  But still, it's no Sovereign-class.  If anything, the Sovereign should be compared to the Aurora due to the Sovvie's retroized design, as it looks out of place in TNG-era Starfleet design lineage.  But I digress...

Here's a pic from that same website Schtupp dug up a couple of pictures from.  It clearly shows the "ball points" of where they are located, reminicient of the aft phasers from the Constitution-class refit.  So far, you're doing a nice job with re-doing your Constitution-class.  The engines in that WIP pic, look weathered and somewhat more-detailed I think, a plus in my book if that's what you intended.  Otherwise, it could just be my eyes need a checkup again.

As I've seen the Aurora WIP pics before, you know how much I like the Aurora.

Those are his old warp textures, too.
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« Reply #85 on: June 21, 2005, 11:26:33 am »
It's been a while since I've played SFC or thought of SFC models, much thanks to real life. *shrug* Otherwise I'd have known all my favorite models religiously. That, and I'm in an SFC1-ish nostalgic mood, trying to find what's left of available SFC1 mods I found in 1999 and 2000.

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« Reply #86 on: June 21, 2005, 11:32:05 am »
I never compared the Aurora to a Sovereign-class, but I do see a trait or two.  The only traits worth noticing being the torpedo launchers near the center of the ventral area of the saucer, actually a Constitution-class trait, but more Sovvie-like due to visibility.  Also, no "neck" area and a secondary hull thinner as you near the end of it.  But still, it's no Sovereign-class.  If anything, the Sovereign should be compared to the Aurora due to the Sovvie's retroized design, as it looks out of place in TNG-era Starfleet design lineage.  But I digress...

Re: the Aurora, I think the reason some people get the impression of a Sovereign class, is the very smooth transition between the B/C deck superstructure and the engineering hull, the hull smoothly covers the back of the saucer and joins into the back of the bridge module, obviously the Sovereign doesn't have a module as it's such a big ship but the same shape is evident on that ship, the engineering hull continues fairly smoothly into the saucer (at least it does so completely on the fugly Nemesis version - CGI suxxorz the big one1111!!!) Fortunately for your ship all the other views aside from the top show the very different proportions of the 2 hulls. I like the hull the way it is myself.

First off, I really like the way it looks... and that's kind of the problem! It doesn't quite smell TOS; it has more the aroma of TNG. Allow me to clarify- my first impression was that it reminded quite a lot of the post-TNG Sovereign (Ent-E). Now, I'd d/l it and play it as is just because it's pretty to look at. But I'd also be thinking of finding a Borg cube to kick the crap out of in a TOS mod... I guess I'd never finish any missions!

Hmm funny but I never even thought about the Sovy. Youre all gonna laugh but Originanally i wanted to build a simple SFB type of NCL. Well one thing led to another etc etc and 16 max files later this is about where she stands. If you look closely you can see that the sensor/deflector pod is removable, also note the two blue pods (stand in objects only). The purpose of this degree of modularity is for quick conversion for mission-specific pods: scout, ECM/ECCM, hvy weapons, carrier and so on, just as is described in the old old old SFB Expansion #2 for the general war. So its Late TOS. As for the simualrity to the Sovy it purly coincidental. This is what the hull is really based on:

'66 Dodge Charger R/T

Note the roofline....

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« Reply #87 on: June 21, 2005, 11:35:41 am »
The General Lee?  Now that'd be interesting to see on a starship.

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Urgh what an ugly vehicle!

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« Reply #89 on: June 21, 2005, 06:10:42 pm »
The General Lee?  Now that'd be interesting to see on a starship.

Actually the General Lee was a '69 I believe  (I'd have to look at the tail lights )  not a '66

The 66 was pretty cool  ..  but the '69 Charger and the Charger Daytona were my Fav.
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« Reply #90 on: June 21, 2005, 06:21:49 pm »
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« Reply #91 on: June 21, 2005, 07:26:20 pm »
Urgh what an ugly vehicle!

lol yes. 60's Mopars are an aquired taste. You either love 'em or hate 'em.

The General Lee?  Now that'd be interesting to see on a starship.

Actually the General Lee was a '69 I believe (I'd have to look at the tail lights ) not a '66

The 66 was pretty cool .. but the '69 Charger and the Charger Daytona were my Fav.

I think General Lee was a 68, straight taillights IIRC. 68 = straight taillights, right? Anyway they were just good ole boys, never meaning no harm...

Yessir nothin wrong with a Daytona or charger for that matter....

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Hmm funny but I never even thought about the Sovy. Youre all gonna laugh but Originanally i wanted to build a simple SFB type of NCL. Well one thing led to another etc etc and 16 max files later this is about where she stands. If you look closely you can see that the sensor/deflector pod is removable, also note the two blue pods (stand in objects only). The purpose of this degree of modularity is for quick conversion for mission-specific pods: scout, ECM/ECCM, hvy weapons, carrier and so on, just as is described in the old old old SFB Expansion #2 for the general war. So its Late TOS. As for the simualrity to the Sovy it purly coincidental. This is what the hull is really based on:

'66 Dodge Charger R/T

Note the roofline....

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« Reply #93 on: June 21, 2005, 09:33:53 pm »
MOPARS !!

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« Reply #94 on: June 21, 2005, 11:06:12 pm »
Hey, LS. Is that car yours? My folks had a '68 R/T, in the day. They traded a '66 GTO convertible for it. Those were the days. Brand new, with a 440 magnum, the '68 went for $3,800.00. If they even built something like it today, it'd probably be$50,000.00.

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« Reply #95 on: June 21, 2005, 11:39:21 pm »

Those that haunt the H&S boards have already been introduced to the "Bee".

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« Reply #96 on: June 21, 2005, 11:49:56 pm »
No but I wish it was lol. Its a Hemi R/T I found at a fansite today just to show what I was talking about. In the past I have owned a 68 Sport Satellite, 73 Challenger 70 Chevelle SS 67 Mustang 66 Ford Galaxy 69 Nova SS and the love of my life, 73 340 Cuda 4 speed - red of course. To say that I regret selling that one would be an understatement. blew 3 engines in the Cuda. Now Im down to 2 Corvairs, a 63 and a 65. Slow and cheap, but still cool.

You guys can see what Im talking about as far the Charger influence on the design of the Aurora right? in the side view; between the b/c decks all the way back to the warp pylons, upper half of the engineering hull. I tried to accentuate it with the texture.

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« Reply #97 on: June 21, 2005, 11:54:33 pm »

Those that haunt the H&S boards have already been introduced to the "Bee".

Fed's  1971 Dodge Charger Super Bee   w/383 Magnum

WOW!  That is red hot!! beautiful mopar fed! Damn what a stud to have such a car... So does this have the Air Grabber hood? Thats the thing about Mopar, they always had the most radical features of the big three, easily.

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Fabulous car, Fedman!!! 1971, the last year for real musclecars.    ...and yeah, the Charger could trash the Goat, no problem. GTO's are still really cool, though.

We lived in Fall River Ma. It's a fairly large city. I can remember riding with him down Eastern Avenue, which was where everyone cruised their musclecars and hot rods. I was only 11yrs. old. Everyone would park their cars when he showed up because they didn't want him to challenge them. Man, I so wish that I was born 10yrs. sooner.
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lol....haunts my dreams indeed!
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« Reply #100 on: June 22, 2005, 04:35:51 am »
GTO with 389 tri -power 4 speed is no slouch i can attest to that. buddy of mine has a 65,  beautiful car.

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Blech, I can see why Smiley is dreaming of wrecking balls, the only American car I've ever had any interest in owning would look something like this:

I think it was made out of something called a '73 Plymouth Satellite Sebring, whatever the hell that was, in any case that particular car was destroyed last year I think, not sure what happened but the front end was totalled I believe.
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Fabulous car, Fedman!!! 1971, the last year for real musclecars.    ...and yeah, the Charger could trash the Goat, no problem. GTO's are still really cool, though.

Thanks for the kind words guys.  Mopar always had the tricks and the engineering to back it up. For example, the rear springs had a forward bias that always planted the rear wheels. You rarely saw a Mopar with the dreaded wheel hop. They were also ahead of the pack with tortion bars. This Superbee still has a better ride than a 89 Cougar LS  I once had.
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« Reply #103 on: June 22, 2005, 07:59:49 am »
Well, back on topic. Personally, I thought that it had a resemblence to the Voyager. I was happy to see that it didn't have stubby pylons and nacelles. Not that the Intrepid class doesn't look good, it just wouldn't make sense for TOS.

The idea of being modular is a cool one, too.
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« Reply #105 on: June 22, 2005, 11:59:05 am »
Back off topic for at least one more post, after I saw S33K100's post I just had to put this one up.

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« Reply #106 on: June 22, 2005, 04:01:20 pm »
hehehe   I CANT wait to get home !!

MOPAR power !!

WOO HOO

Outside of the 73' Mach 1 Fast back (Cobra) and the GTO ( as seen on "My Science Project" )  ...

NOTHING like 'em.  I love the Charger series ...  the Charger Daytona set a record in the nascar circuit the first year they were allowed.  the Plymoth "Super Bird" was a "Road Runner"  with essentially the same trim ( Nose piece and that totally awesome tail wing) as the "Charger Daytona".

Man ...   talk about the memories ..

hehehe  BTW ..  in RL I took a '69 Coronet and customized it...

Corvet Door handles ...  and twin "Charger" gas caps (off of '66 Charger ..  one on each rear 1/4 panel) ..  I could fill the car with gas from either side as they were actually functional).  And a custom soft Black Velvet interior...  Bucket seats...  console ...

hmm...  lets see ..

oh yeah !  I converted the head lights to "Square" ones ...  customized body work around the wheel wells  ( small splash guards behind each of the 4 wheel wells ) ...  and metal flake silver paint job with black vinyl roof.
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« Reply #107 on: June 22, 2005, 04:12:44 pm »
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« Reply #108 on: June 22, 2005, 04:15:13 pm »
Bah, you and your nation-specific shuttles!  Might as well hoist a Tokugawa Ieyasu flag on an Excelsior-class Starship. :p It's alright, but not truely my cup of tea considering my real reasons for being a fan of Star Trek.

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« Reply #109 on: June 22, 2005, 08:09:22 pm »
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thats REALLY cool MP, i oughta make a rendering
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« Reply #110 on: June 22, 2005, 08:44:36 pm »
Damn Mackie, nice Charger!

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« Reply #111 on: June 22, 2005, 08:48:30 pm »
Damn Mackie, nice Charger!

I WANT MY CUDA BACK WHAAAA!!!!

440 big block , 7L .it needs a new hood though. ;P

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« Reply #112 on: June 22, 2005, 09:08:58 pm »
But...but...

I bought a 2000 Mustang last month, doesn't that count for something?

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« Reply #113 on: June 23, 2005, 01:18:18 am »
But...but...

I bought a 2000 Mustang last month, doesn't that count for something?

Damn straight it counts bro, its your car!  Besides now weve seen 2 models inspired by dodge chargers; my Aurora and the General Lee shuttle. Idea: Im gonna do a registry USS Charger NCC-1971. Perfect.

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« Reply #114 on: June 23, 2005, 12:39:04 pm »
Besides now weve seen 2 models inspired by dodge chargers; my Aurora and the General Lee shuttle. Idea: Im gonna do a registry USS Charger NCC-1971. Perfect.
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« Reply #115 on: June 23, 2005, 11:35:05 pm »
That General Lee shuttle got me thinking.  What if there was a Federation civil war?  A group of systems break off and form the CSA (Confederate Systems of the Alpha Quadrant) and are led by Earth colonists decended from people from the southern states.  What do y'all think?

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« Reply #116 on: June 24, 2005, 04:48:03 am »
sounds nice to me, id be willing to go with something like NTF (neo terran front) from FS2 or Terra Prime from Enterprise
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« Reply #117 on: June 24, 2005, 09:34:01 am »
I'd enjoy crushing them brutally, though I doubt they'd be made up of a bunch of slave owning hicks who were 'never meaning no harm...' LOL More likely would be something in the very early days of the Federation, pre-TOS, based on the those nutcases from Terra Prime as Mackie suggests, anti-alien humans. Plus the Feds could go all out on them given we know how they treated the Maquis.
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« Reply #118 on: June 24, 2005, 10:45:47 am »
That shuttle has just given me an ispiration.  Are there any ships to go with that shuttle, is is that the only Confederate ship out there?

At the moment, I thnk so.  But I have two sitting on my HD that need to get uploaded this weekend.  The Bubba and Cletus Class ships.. both are flying Confederate colors..
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LOL @ Alec
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« Reply #120 on: June 24, 2005, 11:59:42 am »
Schtupp, a couple questions on the Aurora.  First, what's the inspiration for the blue/red striping on one of them?  Second, were you aware that there already was a cruiser called Aurora on TOS?

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« Reply #121 on: June 24, 2005, 03:05:18 pm »
Schtupp, a couple questions on the Aurora.  First, what's the inspiration for the blue/red striping on one of them?  Second, were you aware that there already was a cruiser called Aurora on TOS?

Yes and good point. Youre referring to the S.S. Aurora in "The Way to Eden" and fortunatly for me it was blown up by the space hippies thus leaving the name open.

Steppin' into Eden, yea brother...

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« Reply #122 on: June 24, 2005, 03:12:48 pm »
I think the Space Hippies where running from Mr Tricorder's Space Rednecks lol

Someone needs to do a rendering of Atra's SS aurora model being chased by MPs confederate shuttle. That'd be a hoot.

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« Reply #123 on: June 24, 2005, 03:42:05 pm »
I only brought up the S.S. Aurora because your ship made me think it would be good as a potential design for the Icarus-class, a precursor starship to the Constitution-class mentioned in several of the more recent TOS novels.

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« Reply #124 on: June 24, 2005, 03:58:15 pm »
Ah I see. It wasn't until after I picked the name that I then recalled it being used for the space hippies ship. but since it was destroyed in the episode I thought it was ok to keep it. Interestingly (to me at least) the name comes from a suggestion by none other than Carl Sagan, in his book Broca's Brain. In it he devotes a whole chapter to Star Trek and mostly discusses the multi-racial aspect of the crew and the classic trek "anomalies". In that chapter, he questions why Gene Roddenberry picked mostly American-derived names for the 12 Connies, and then wonders why he chose to name one Potemkin instead of Aurora.

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« Reply #125 on: June 24, 2005, 07:24:23 pm »
In that chapter, he questions why Gene Roddenberry picked mostly American-derived names for the 12 Connies, and then wonders why he chose to name one Potemkin instead of Aurora.

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« Reply #126 on: June 24, 2005, 10:26:53 pm »
In that chapter, he questions why Gene Roddenberry picked mostly American-derived names for the 12 Connies, and then wonders why he chose to name one Potemkin instead of Aurora.

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Dear Gene:
I am in receipt of a memo from someone using the pseudonym of D. C. Fontana. This character suggests that we establish the names of the 12 ships of the Enterprise Starship Class.
Of the names that D. C. Fontana mentions, I prefer the following:

Enterprise
Essex
Excalibur
Lexington
Yorktown
Endeavor
Eagle
Constellation
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Lafayette

I think there would be several other candidates, such as Saratoga and perhaps another English Carrier, a French Carrier, a Russian Carrier and certainly a Japanese Carrier. In addition, I think a name ought to be made up that would be of Vulcan origin.
Bob.

Note the last suggestion. One of the classic fanon names for this was Tashik-Sotra. I'd be neat to see your next Connie carry THAT as a name...
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« Reply #127 on: June 26, 2005, 12:24:30 pm »
Another quick question, Schtupp: is the Aurora supposed to be a precurssor to the Connie or a companion class?

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« Reply #128 on: June 26, 2005, 02:23:54 pm »
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Earlier this week I started back on my Aurora NCL project, as can be seen I made some changes to the basic mesh, made a much nicer photon bay, and have progressed on the textures somewhat. The big red stripe is a little experiment, Ill use something like that for one of the advanced versions. the small purple pods are placeholders for mission specific pods or weapons, i.e. ecm, sensors for scout variant, torps for heavy weapons variant, and so on, in keeping with the modularity of the SFB NCL.

From here.  I think he implies it as more-of a contemporary new light cruiser (NCL) rather than an immediate predescessor.  I may not be Schtupp, but I hope that helps answer your question, Rat Boy.

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« Reply #129 on: June 26, 2005, 03:04:28 pm »
I see.  I just figured that with its overall shape and lower reg number that it could be one of the oft-speculated forerunner classes to the Connie, and a darn good lookin' one at that.

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« Reply #130 on: June 26, 2005, 04:48:33 pm »
It looks too contemporary TOS-era to be such in my opinion.  Something like the Baton Rouge or The Starfleet Museum's Asia-class looks more plausable to being such a candidate.

Also, keep in mind the stock SFC or KA models having three-digit registry numbers.  For example, ships like the Akula-class and Okinawa-class (Respectively the F-DD and F-FF stock models in KA and SFC 1/2/OP) have low registry numbers.  The Akula's registry was NCC-278-A.  Yeah, it has a -A so it can't count.  The Okinawa's registry number was NCC-150, the same as the U.S.S. Daedelus's registry number in canon Trek.  It implies that two TMP-era starships belong in the Pre-TOS-era, if we take registry numbers seriously in a cronological way.  I don't know if it's the same or different in the SFB universe.

Perhaps in SFB it's 2000+ registries that get Dreadnought or Heavy Carrier or Battleship status, anything between 2000 and 1000 cruisers, and Destroyers and Frigates get anything below in three-digit numbers?  *shrug* I don't know anything about SFB, or not much about it, so I'm guessing.

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« Reply #131 on: June 26, 2005, 05:14:23 pm »
Something like the Baton Rouge or The Starfleet Museum's Asia-class looks more plausable to being such a candidate.

The Asia looks too much like the Connie for it to be a forerunner, let alone one that is supposed to predate it by forty years.  As for the Baton Rouge, it looks too...stubby, to fit into the ENT-to-TOS design lineage.  Looks more like a forerunner to the Ambassador or Galaxy.  This ship flows very well between ENT and TOS, with a highlight or two from NX-01 in a proto-NCC-1701 package.

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Oddly enough, the Akula TOS model in "Generations at War" has the reg number of 578 to put it in line with Franz Joseph's ships, but the TMP model has 278-A  (ALEC! ;)0.  The 1300-series has been used for the previously mentioned Baton Rouge-class, which made me recall that idea for this vessel.

But, this is Schtupp's ship, so whatever he says goes.  But, the general plan and layout is something to consider for a starship line in service between the 2220s and 2250s, retired in favor of the Constituion.  Perhaps the Aurora is a refitted version of that hypothetical, or some kind of smaller follow-on based on the general layout?

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« Reply #132 on: June 26, 2005, 06:57:39 pm »
Usually when I watch ENT, I just watch it for entertainment.  If I want to get pseudo-geeky, I throw it out the window.  I mean, the ENT-era in ship design is like this: turn the Constitution-class upside down, invert the pylons, give it an Excelsior-class saucer, scale it down, repaint it, and you got the NX-03!  Then make a clever reason why it looks like that, by saying it's just a coincidence or what not... That's why I'm much more fond of the Starfleet Museum, and was quick to reference something from there as an example.  In turn I also gave the Baton Rouge a try, saying that it could possibly be a predescessor as well.

But how I think about it, the Asia-class looks like a simpler take at a Constitution-class (Or the Hyperion-class to reference another example.).  Therefore I thought it was perfect to be something like an immediate predescessor.  If you want something with a spherical hull, cylindrical neck, etc.  That looks less like a Daedelus-class and is a bit more advanced-looking, try the Horizon.  Not one of my favorite ship designs (the Baton Rouge wasn't either) mind you... Of course it could also be a look-a-like class of Starship, like how Atrahasis would think of the Republic or Constellation as; an earlier starship design remarkably-similar to the Constitution-class, more-so than the Asia.  Perhaps it could be something like the U.S.S. Farynor.

I'm not sure what you exactly envision as a predescessor to the Constitution-class, and I can't be for sure what I exactly envision in that subject either.  Although that's the beauty of Trek and science fiction in general: utilizing imagination, to create a universe in your head and explore it...

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« Reply #133 on: June 26, 2005, 07:08:27 pm »
I'm not sure what you exactly envision as a predescessor to the Constitution-class, and I can't be for sure what I exactly envision in that subject either.  Although that's the beauty of Trek and science fiction in general: utilizing imagination, to create a universe in your head and explore it...

Hey, Schtupp just came rather close to what I had in mind, a more-compressed ship than the Constitution.  Heck, about the only thing I'd do is perhaps make the secondary hull a bit larger, add the spike/probe things to the front of the nacelles, remove the globe from the back of the nacelle, and perhaps integrate the deflector into the secondary hull a bit more.  Then, presto, you'd have what I've been picturing.

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« Reply #134 on: June 26, 2005, 07:55:15 pm »
Well, if you really want to go SFB...since it's an NCL, here's the listings...

NCL LIGHT CRUISERS: 1500 Kearsarge, 1501 Reliant, 1502 Alabama, 1503 Repulse, 1504 Renown, 1505 Prince of Wales, 1506 Mutso, 1507 Nagato, 1509 Gneisenau, 1510 Scharnhorst, 1511 Prinz Eugen, 1512 Vittorio Veneto, 1513 Littorio, 1514 Caio Duilio, 1518 Dunkerque, 1519 Richelieu, 1520 Strasbourg, 1521 Rivadavia, 1522 Moreno, 1523 Minas Gerais, 1524 New Mexico, 1525 Iowa, 1526 Missouri, 1527 Kortenauer, 1528 De Ruyter, 1529 Naken, 1530 Glorie, 1531 Defence, 1532 Pervenetz, 1533 Meko, 1534 Vosper, 1535 Groton, 1536 Ramadan, 1537 Aliyah, 1538 Assawari, 1539 Michigan, 1540 North Carolina, 1543 Mikasa, 1546 Olympia, 1547 Piorun, 1548 Warspite. Notes: About 60 ships of this class were built during the General War.

Got these from the SFB boards. A good resource for those of you who want to do SFB type stuff, which we can always use more of.

The only thing I'd change is moving the torp launchers to the top of the saucer ala SFB/TOS.  Excellent ship as usual, Schtupp!    Where's the Kittyhawk?
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« Reply #135 on: June 26, 2005, 07:57:45 pm »
The only thing I'd change is moving the torp launchers to the top of the saucer ala SFB/TOS.

While SFB and the original Franz Joseph book placed the torpedoes there, FX shots from TOS had the torpedoes coming out fairly close to where the phasers are, something that Schtupp showed on his CA+ model and ENT showed on the NX-01 model.

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« Reply #136 on: June 26, 2005, 08:46:27 pm »
The NCL in SFB wasn't a Franz-Joseph based design though, it actually had a smidgeon of originality, Schtupp's version looks nothing like the SFB version (Atra did an accurate version if anyone wants one) but it's a much nicer looking design anyway.

I'm quite amused that the SFB people name a ship after Vittorio Veneto the battle in Italy (there were some British and French troops but the majority were Italian) that led to Austria-Hungary's surrender at the end of WWI. Quite an obscure referrence.
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« Reply #137 on: June 26, 2005, 11:41:12 pm »
Something like the Baton Rouge or The Starfleet Museum's Asia-class looks more plausable to being such a candidate.

Oddly enough, the Akula TOS model in "Generations at War" has the reg number of 578 to put it in line with Franz Joseph's ships, but the TMP model has 278-A  (ALEC! ;)0.  The 1300-series has been used for the previously mentioned Baton Rouge-class, which made me recall that idea for this vessel.

tsk tsk tsk.. apparently you missed the staff meeting on this.  The TOS Akula couldn't have the original registry of 278 as the pre-TOS Akula was still in extended diplomatic duties shuttling delegates between several Federation worlds.  So the TOS Akula (named in the honor of that long standing ship of the fleet) was given the 578 registry.  But by the time of the TMP refit programs, the original Akula had long since been destroyed by unknown forces near Federation borders.  So during the TMP era refit, the TOS Akula then had its registry changed to 278-A to honor the fallen ship.

Should've cleared that up before.
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#### atheorhaven

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« Reply #138 on: June 26, 2005, 11:42:31 pm »
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#### Rat Boy

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« Reply #139 on: July 02, 2005, 03:19:37 pm »
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#### Kana

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« Reply #140 on: July 02, 2005, 04:00:50 pm »
Perhaps in SFB it's 2000+ registries that get Dreadnought or Heavy Carrier or Battleship status, anything between 2000 and 1000 cruisers, and Destroyers and Frigates get anything below in three-digit numbers?  *shrug* I don't know anything about SFB, or not much about it, so I'm guessing.

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