Topic: TNG Constitution Project (Read 12325 times)

Vipre · « **Reply #30 on:** October 24, 2007, 03:22:57 pm »

Love the saucer redesign and the neck is a great bridge between TMP and TNG. Here's my suggestion for placement (not shape) of the dorsal phaser strips (black lines). The strips would be the normal "arc" and on the secondary hull would follow hull curves. Ventral placement on the saucer would be the same as the dorsal and the same as the TMP E on the secondary hull Also I'd like to suggest narrowing the width of the neck spine by 50% (red lines) and lowering the final end point by 50% so it doesn't look so "thick/high" in the side view

The white circle is the nav becon/sensor, same as the TOS E. For the rear tube I'd place it right under the rear edge of the shuttle deck and make it a single tube not a double like the front.

Other than the beacon this is all inspired by TNG and by the Ent-C

Rod ONeal · « **Reply #31 on:** October 24, 2007, 04:10:01 pm »

I think it'd look more like a Connie if the saucer rim tapered in on the bottom rather than flared out. Maybe taper the 2ndary hull sooner so the taper starts before the cutout, and slope the sides of the bridge. Just my .02. You, of course, are free to completely ignore everything I've said.

Adonis · « **Reply #32 on:** October 25, 2007, 12:20:45 am »

One more slight thing. The forward of the neck seems to be closer to the deflector on each new class that has the Constitutions setup. The TOS Connie has it like on this one, the TMP Connie's one is pushed more forward, the Ambassadors is even closer and the Galaxy's merges with the Deflector rim structure.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #33 on:** October 25, 2007, 10:21:33 am »

There would be one really cool idea that hasn't been done if you do keep the raised back of the neck at the very bottom... you could do a small set of windows back there and either have an observation deck, or a hanger control deck up there.

Either would look kind of neat.. but then again, pulling the neck down flush at the back would look cleaner.

Shadowfleet · « **Reply #34 on:** October 25, 2007, 02:58:38 pm »

Really nice job Asylum! Thanks for sharing with us.

I'd leave the raised back - it adds a lot of character to the ship and sets it up as a class of its own.

You asked for advice on rear photon torpedoe placement - I'd put it on the underside like WZ's Valiant.

Once again NICE JOB. I can't wait to see her textured and in game.

AsYlUm · « **Reply #35 on:** October 26, 2007, 07:24:32 am »

Thanks guys... I like all ur ideas... im gonna have a long play 2nite and see what i come up with .

thanks

atheorhaven · « **Reply #36 on:** October 26, 2007, 11:03:35 am »

.. just for the record, I'd have to say that this ship is visually *really* exciting. It's not complete yet, but I'm already mentally seeing this ship textured and in SFC and flying against some of the other ships in my test install.

The only thing I'll be wondering is what color the deflector is going to be.. I can mentally see all the rest of the ship.

AsYlUm · « **Reply #37 on:** October 26, 2007, 12:46:07 pm »

pylons complete

ok... so i decided to not bend them, because it looked like it was not a connie then.. i'm gonna leave the saucer the way it is because i tried to taper it the other way and it looked too old.. i want the connie feel but want it too look right along side the ent c etc... I love the advice regarding the observation lounge or somthing there... that hasnt been done before and really adds to the design so i will build on that idea... photon placement and phaser strips next..

guys thanks for ur input as always, i also moved the neck forward, wasnt aware of the linage neck shift in relation to the dish placement... top tip that

also for anyone interested.. here is why this is taking soo long.... im trying to make this mesh as neat and complete as i can.. at the moment its 100%

thanks atheorhaven... as for dish colour... i was gona go completely traditional... but im always open for new ideas... i was also thinking about sticking a brown thing in the middle too like the intrepid class has.. but i might make a refit version with stuff like that

darkthunder · « **Reply #38 on:** October 26, 2007, 01:56:57 pm »

Loving it, loving it

+1 Karma

Yeah, the observation deck above the shuttlebay sounds like a great idea. I think they had something similar on the Sovereign class, behind the main shuttlebay (on the saucer), but none on the aft end of the secondary hull. If your intention is to have a ship that sits along side the Ambassador class, might I suggest something similar to the Yamaguchi's deflector dish?

Adding both deflector variants as attachments for reference

Adonis · « **Reply #39 on:** October 26, 2007, 02:25:02 pm »

Well, if you want the mesh clean, you have a lot of redundant polies. Firstly, you really don't need that much circular segments on the saucer.

F9thDawg · « **Reply #40 on:** October 26, 2007, 02:40:22 pm »

this is looking REAL good. I appluad your modeling skills. Will u be getting this ported to BC?

atheorhaven · « **Reply #41 on:** October 26, 2007, 02:49:42 pm »

So, you're basically thinking of something like this then for the deflector?

atheorhaven · « **Reply #42 on:** October 26, 2007, 03:14:25 pm »

Btw, here's a quick edit to kind of give you an idea of what a rear observation deck would kind of look like once it was all done. Can't believe noone has done one before..

AsYlUm · « **Reply #43 on:** October 26, 2007, 04:21:41 pm »

Yeah... that is a great idea atheorhaven.... 100% credit to u there... very sweet... thanks for the image too... and as for the deflector exactly..... and very similar to the second one shown by Dawg... although i will have a blend between the connie.. many spike and brown bit tng / voy esc

as for redundant polys on a model.. that doesnt make it any less clean, and considering im still builing the model, and giving some insight into its creation, does not mean its final, eveyone who models knows that redundant polygons are exceptable, under the constraints of any particular build. AND we all know that before it is finished these are corrected, (any more comments regarding how to build meshes please pm me... i have been doing this for a long time and i'll chat to you about it ) but redundant polys in the saucer are intentional.. and considering the excessive detail that is being added... they are needed. As for porting, thats not something i can do... i can build the model and fully texture it... im familar with all the variations of texturing, suitable for all platforms.

I'll leave that to those that have expertise in such issues, but the model will be freely available when done, fully textured of course.

guys, crit is always welcome, guidance and tips and suggestions... keep em coming please....

heres a few new wips including phaser placement..

thanks guys

Starforce2 · « **Reply #44 on:** October 26, 2007, 04:47:32 pm »

it's looking great. BTW, did that phaser tut help ya out?

Vipre · « **Reply #45 on:** October 26, 2007, 06:32:28 pm »

As good as anything ever seen on screen, nice work indeed.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #46 on:** October 26, 2007, 06:57:38 pm »

I just noticed a detail in your phaserplacement I missed the first time around and wanted to question it's sensability. I am refering to those placed along the dorsal section of the drive hull. Wouldn't it be more logical to use a small bank from side to side directly over the shuttlebay (these would be like the short stubby ones used on the concorde models I showed you earlier in this thread) and then use an AGT galaxy setup on the nacelles adding phaserbanks there? You'd have a much wider coverage and due to the obvious galaxy influence on your nacelles, the nacelle platforms wouldn't look all that out of place. They could be reduced in side and slightly reshaped and what not, but it would give some pizzaz to the tops of the nacelles, unless you really want to keep the plain smooth lines there...

F9thDawg · « **Reply #47 on:** October 27, 2007, 09:48:46 am »

Quote from: Starforce2 on October 26, 2007, 06:57:38 pm

I just noticed a detail in your phaserplacement I missed the first time around and wanted to question it's sensability. I am refering to those placed along the dorsal section of the drive hull. Wouldn't it be more logical to use a small bank from side to side directly over the shuttlebay (these would be like the short stubby ones used on the concorde models I showed you earlier in this thread) and then use an AGT galaxy setup on the nacelles adding phaserbanks there? You'd have a much wider coverage and due to the obvious galaxy influence on your nacelles, the nacelle platforms wouldn't look all that out of place. They could be reduced in side and slightly reshaped and what not, but it would give some pizzaz to the tops of the nacelles, unless you really want to keep the plain smooth lines there...

May i recommend placing phaser strips on the nacelle pylons both sides thought being that they would disuade enemy ships from targeting those critical areas plus the arc of those phasers would be wide enough to cover the aft sections

Starforce2 · « **Reply #48 on:** October 27, 2007, 11:14:52 pm »

that's true, pylon phasers would work, but it would disrupt the clean style of the tmp pylons. Plus, if he decides to add the intercooler vents from the Ent-A or some type of vent system (the TOS had it too) on the pylons, it's going to look cluttered.

AsYlUm · « **Reply #49 on:** October 28, 2007, 02:50:53 am »

both excellent suggestions, i like them... im gonna continue work on this today and show a couple of wip's.

thanks guys.

Fedman NCC-3758 · « **Reply #50 on:** October 28, 2007, 07:45:56 am »

One would think a ship this nice necessitates the addition of Dnet karma.

Not rushing ya asylum. Keeping ya motivated. Nice work.

AsYlUm · « **Reply #51 on:** October 28, 2007, 10:38:36 am »

Ok so i am done with weapon placements, i took all suggestions in mind when i re did them.. thanks for the input guys.

And thanks for all your interest in this project, oh and the karma lol

F9thDawg · « **Reply #52 on:** October 28, 2007, 12:09:37 pm »

ive noticed that theres no weaponry on the ventral side of the secondary hull could use a traditional ventral phaser to discourage enemy ships from targeting the area

Starforce2 · « **Reply #53 on:** October 28, 2007, 01:21:41 pm »

yea, that's a good idea, but he'd hafta move the side phaser strips up and maybe back a bit otherwise it'd look kinda silly having phasers practicly meet at 90 degrees..it'd be ineffiecient/cluttered looking.

AsYlUm · « **Reply #54 on:** October 28, 2007, 01:34:54 pm »

Lol... ok where is that exactly

darkthunder · « **Reply #55 on:** October 28, 2007, 03:13:35 pm »

Quote from: asylum on October 28, 2007, 01:34:54 pm

Lol... ok where is that exactly

Might I suggest this as a phaser placement rather then the 2 phasers you have currently?

Commonly known as a "belly phaser". Ship looks awesome btw. The torpedo tube placements look good as well, with a slight influence of the Intrepid class in the aft torpedo tube placement

F9thDawg · « **Reply #56 on:** October 28, 2007, 03:33:10 pm »

u midas well paint a big red bullseye on the underside saying HIT ME HERE! as for the side phasers move them up and back towards the pylons. I wouldnt put the side phasers under the pylons as they will diminish the arc to which they can fire. Also have u given any thought as to a backstory for this mighty ship?

Starforce2 · « **Reply #57 on:** October 28, 2007, 03:56:45 pm »

Quote from: F9thDawg on October 28, 2007, 03:33:10 pm

u midas well paint a big red bullseye on the underside saying HIT ME HERE! as for the side phasers move them up and back towards the pylons. I wouldnt put the side phasers under the pylons as they will diminish the arc to which they can fire. Also have u given any thought as to a backstory for this mighty ship?

You wouldn't need to worry much about that because you start overlaping arcs with the dorsal and ventral saucer coverage. A deck or 2 under the pylons wouldn't be bad. If you fire exactly parallel to the pylons, that angle will overlap the dorsal saucer except at close range. Since those are defensive arcs anyways...

Red_Sharif · « **Reply #58 on:** October 28, 2007, 04:09:39 pm »

My God, this ship is hot...and I am NOT a fan of TNG aesthetics. Can't wait to see what she looks like with a paint job.

Vipre · « **Reply #59 on:** October 28, 2007, 06:15:32 pm »

Indeed, she's definitely Connie's hot young granddaughter.

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