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The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« on: December 29, 2008, 07:34:17 am »
When I get REALLY annoyed with those "unskippable" things (why do I a Canadian get stuck with the FBI warning?) I play them on my computer, Kaffiene skips them quite nicely.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2008, 08:40:48 am »
 :rofl:

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2008, 09:22:00 am »
Its still better than the (Californian I think) cable company who tried to block people from using a TIVO like device that could record from cable automatically deleting commercials who claimed that the viewer had a "contractual" obligation to watch commercials. As I understood it there was no contract as such and no wording stating it in the terms of service either.

I would love the studios to understand that people who but or watch a lot of DVDs get ANNOYED very seriously by having the same "previews" forced down their throats on disk after disk. Especially so on TV series boxed sets. Do we really need to be forced to sit through the same preview before each and every episode we watch? Do the studios really want to condition us to not watch their products?

Can you tell that DRM seriously annoys me? I'm anti "piracy" but I do understand those who say ENOUGH ALREADY and end up pirating things just to avoid the BS of the DRM.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2008, 09:36:10 am »
why do I a Canadian get stuck with the FBI warning?.

Because you come from a mostly English Speaking country bordering the US, with a much smaller population, so most DVDs marketed in your country are either produced in the US, or produced with the intent of possible sale in the US.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2008, 09:49:48 am »
why do I a Canadian get stuck with the FBI warning?.

Because you come from a mostly English Speaking country bordering the US, with a much smaller population, so most DVDs marketed in your country are either produced in the US, or produced with the intent of possible sale in the US.

Most of them are in both French and English so I would say it is more than just being close to the U.S..

In any case I should be able to buy a DVD player that allows skipping them. Those who are going to pirate them are not going to be persuaded otherwise because the master copy has an unskippable "piracy is illegal" warning. Making these things unskippable does not help the company and annoys the consumer, they serve no useful function.

One of the reasons I haven't considered blu-ray is the "enhancements" to the DRM that they carry. DRM does not work. Pirates still pirate and the honest people have to deal with the problems caused. Treat someone as a thief long enough and they may well say "I get punished so I may as well be guilty and enjoy the profits".
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2008, 04:19:59 pm »
It doesn't  bug  me  I just  fastforward  through it  all.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2008, 04:21:49 pm »
The only problem is that some DVD's have commands that tell the dvd player not to skip past certain scenes.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2008, 05:07:01 pm »
The only problem is that some DVD's have commands that tell the dvd player not to skip past certain scenes.

And the companies that own the rights to the DVD format specify that the players can't allow you the machine owner to skip things the disk maker mark as unskippable. They require you to give control to the disk maker of what you bought. Its MY machine and MY disk and I am the one who should be in control of it.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2008, 05:30:16 pm »
The only problem is that some DVD's have commands that tell the dvd player not to skip past certain scenes.

And the companies that own the rights to the DVD format specify that the players can't allow you the machine owner to skip things the disk maker mark as unskippable. They require you to give control to the disk maker of what you bought. Its MY machine and MY disk and I am the one who should be in control of it.

But its their IP, and if you want to enjoy it, you play by their rules. :carmen:

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2008, 05:46:42 pm »
The only problem is that some DVD's have commands that tell the dvd player not to skip past certain scenes.

And the companies that own the rights to the DVD format specify that the players can't allow you the machine owner to skip things the disk maker mark as unskippable. They require you to give control to the disk maker of what you bought. Its MY machine and MY disk and I am the one who should be in control of it.

But its their IP, and if you want to enjoy it, you play by their rules. :carmen:

The copy is mine to do with as THE LAW allows not as the corporation desires. Legally they have no right to control what I bought.

Can your car manufacturer dictate what roads you drive on or whom you buy fuel from and who may be a passenger in it? If not then why can a publisher dictate how you use what you bought?
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2008, 05:50:41 pm »
The only problem is that some DVD's have commands that tell the dvd player not to skip past certain scenes.

And the companies that own the rights to the DVD format specify that the players can't allow you the machine owner to skip things the disk maker mark as unskippable. They require you to give control to the disk maker of what you bought. Its MY machine and MY disk and I am the one who should be in control of it.

Agreed.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2008, 06:01:05 pm »
The only problem is that some DVD's have commands that tell the dvd player not to skip past certain scenes.

And the companies that own the rights to the DVD format specify that the players can't allow you the machine owner to skip things the disk maker mark as unskippable. They require you to give control to the disk maker of what you bought. Its MY machine and MY disk and I am the one who should be in control of it.

But its their IP, and if you want to enjoy it, you play by their rules. :carmen:

The copy is mine to do with as THE LAW allows not as the corporation desires. Legally they have no right to control what I bought.

Can your car manufacturer dictate what roads you drive on or whom you buy fuel from and who may be a passenger in it? If not then why can a publisher dictate how you use what you bought?

Not a good comparison. If a car manufacturer tried to place those sorts of restrictions on how you use your car, no one would buy their cars. In this situation, THE LAW gives the company a monopoly on their IP, to distribute in the manner that they choose.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2008, 06:07:31 pm »
U.S. law also allows the consumer to make copies of any media that they have legally purchased, as long as such copies are only meant for backup purposes and kept by the original purchaser.

Yet the industry puts so many security codes into the discs which prevents people from exercising their right.  Granted, it may be the company's intellectual property, but when you buy a copy in the store, that copy becomes your personal property, and within reason, the law can't tell you what you can or can't do with your personal property, and the law says that you can make backups of such things for your own personal reasons.

This is something that's been going on for such a long time, doesn't matter how good one side's argument is, the other side will have a just a good of an argument, so in the end, it's a moot point.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2008, 06:14:22 pm »
U.S. law also allows the consumer to make copies of any media that they have legally purchased, as long as such copies are only meant for backup purposes and kept by the original purchaser.

Yet the industry puts so many security codes into the discs which prevents people from exercising their right. Granted, it may be the company's intellectual property, but when you buy a copy in the store, that copy becomes your personal property, and within reason, the law can't tell you what you can or can't do with your personal property, and the law says that you can make backups of such things for your own personal reasons.
As you pointed out, once they get the disk there is no law against the consumer making his own copies, likewise there is no law against the manufacturers putting DRM on the disk.

This is something that's been going on for such a long time, doesn't matter how good one side's argument is, the other side will have a just a good of an argument, so in the end, it's a moot point.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2008, 06:18:03 pm »
As you pointed out, once they get the disk there is no law against the consumer making his own copies, likewise there is no law against the manufacturers putting DRM on the disk.

In the U.S. it is illegal to defeat that DRM (see the DMCA) and you can be put in jail for doing so or possessing the tools to do so. Fortunately all the attempts to put in a Canadian version of the DMCA have failed.

Among the tools that are illegal under the DMCA are magic markers and computer shift keys.
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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2008, 06:21:14 pm »
As you pointed out, once they get the disk there is no law against the consumer making his own copies, likewise there is no law against the manufacturers putting DRM on the disk.

In the U.S. it is illegal to defeat that DRM (see the DMCA) and you can be put in jail for doing so or possessing the tools to do so. Fortunately all the attempts to put in a Canadian version of the DMCA have failed.

Among the tools that are illegal under the DMCA are magic markers and computer shift keys.

Yet the DMCA infringes on the consumer's federal right to make backups, so you still have a very big problem because in order for one party to exercise their rights, they have to violate the rights of the other party.

So you're still stuck in the same situation.  It's not really illegal to have those tools.  What you do with those programs, that's where the legality comes in.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2008, 06:25:19 pm »
U.S. law also allows the consumer to make copies of any media that they have legally purchased, as long as such copies are only meant for backup purposes and kept by the original purchaser.

Yet the industry puts so many security codes into the discs which prevents people from exercising their right. Granted, it may be the company's intellectual property, but when you buy a copy in the store, that copy becomes your personal property, and within reason, the law can't tell you what you can or can't do with your personal property, and the law says that you can make backups of such things for your own personal reasons.

This is something that's been going on for such a long time, doesn't matter how good one side's argument is, the other side will have a just a good of an argument, so in the end, it's a moot point.

A good example of this, is I noticed my Final Fantasy 7 discs for the PS2 where getting pretty scratched up, so I made an ISO of them.

I have a Closet full of VHS tapes. Quite a few Stormbringer gave me when he was switching to DVD. One of these day's I'll spend a week burning them to DVD also.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2008, 06:58:48 pm »
Yeah yeah, legal, not legal, blah blah blah...

Anyone know how I can fast forward through those friggin trailers on my DVDs?
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2008, 07:01:48 pm »
Yeah yeah, legal, not legal, blah blah blah...

Anyone know how I can fast forward through those friggin trailers on my DVDs?

Under the DMCA telling you that is illegal.

I bypass them when using Kaffience on Linux to play the disks.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2008, 07:04:43 pm »
Yeah yeah, legal, not legal, blah blah blah...

Anyone know how I can fast forward through those friggin trailers on my DVDs?

Record them on VHS and then watch them?

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