Topic: Opinions wanted

[[UFP]Exeter]

Just a thought.  Would like opinions.

The Axanar project is a very cool video.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W1_8IV8uhA

This has me thinking.  My goal of SFC4 is to have the subtitle of Fleet Command and have a much better fleet command UI etc.
So what i we make this in the era of the 4 year war with the ability to add the new class federation ships and the Klingon  D7?

The gme woul be heavily modable and easy to dd your own models, graphics etc.  I am thinking of how to enable modding of the rulesets also.  We could plan on keeping other races but setting it during the 4 years was I think would be cool.

I know it is non canon but so is much of SFB, but this gets this into its own, and we can also plan on future expansionas.  Also have Dyna as a place to request changes and discuss things.

[Lieutenant_Q]

Certainly a good place to start.  It basically fills a gap that we had in the timeline.  We have Enterprise, and then we have a nearly 100 year gap until TOS. Then we have TOS, which still isn't very well fleshed out.  Then TMP/Lost Era things start to get filled out pretty well at that point.  Finally TNG and beyond we actually have good fleet dynamics for everyone (except the Romulans).  The use of Axanar stuff would allow us to fill in the Pre-TOS gap, and flesh out the TOS era.

Now the question remains... can we get permission to use it?

[Tulwar]

You are describing the game I always wanted.  As far as asthetics of starship models go, I'm forever trapped in TMP era.  While blueprints for TOS D7 weapon layout was appropriate compared to TOS blueprints of the Big E, the Enterprise was improved for TMP, while the K'Tinga ceased to make sense to me.  Basing the game in the earlier era and making it fully modable would allow me to flesh out my own little fantasy fleets, as if I could rewrite the whole ST franchise.

Yeah, it's going into my own little world, but doesn't that sound like more fun than watching an Abram's film?

Then again, someone like Firesoul could simply mod that into another SFB based version.  That would be extremely cool, as well.

[[UFP]Exeter]

To start, will need starships that fiil the roster.

Permissions are not really need from what i can see other that the use of star trek.  Filling in the gap my be more amiable to CBS.

[knightstorm]

Well, Axinar does seem to contradict a few things from canon.  Late 22nd century to at least as late as the cage, the federation used Lasers.  Also, its established that TOS Enterprise was built in San Francisco.  Outside of that, I think the Axinar models look a bit too Abramsish.  In particular, they have that chromey iphone finish.

[Tulwar]

Well, Axinar does seem to contradict a few things from canon.  Late 22nd century to at least as late as the cage, the federation used Lasers.  Also, its established that TOS Enterprise was built in San Francisco.  Outside of that, I think the Axinar models look a bit too Abramsish.  In particular, they have that chromey iphone finish.

Actually, TOS Enterprise was built over San Francisco.  Still, Earth orbit is a long way from Axinar, so my correction is hypertechnical.  The laser/phaser thing can be glossed over.  As far as the models being too much like the JJ-Prize, you're exactly right.  Abram's Trek needs to die.

[knightstorm]

Well, Axinar does seem to contradict a few things from canon.  Late 22nd century to at least as late as the cage, the federation used Lasers.  Also, its established that TOS Enterprise was built in San Francisco.  Outside of that, I think the Axinar models look a bit too Abramsish.  In particular, they have that chromey iphone finish.

Actually, TOS Enterprise was built over San Francisco.

That's what I meant, but I guess I could have been clearer since Abrams has everyone convinced that the ship was built planetside in bumf*ck Iowa.

[Captain Adam]

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[[UFP]Exeter]

We can do the models the way we want.

And the 4 year war was in the mid 23rd century so the weapons can be glossed over. 

[Tulwar]

Abrams....  Monopoly capitalism hits Hollywood.  A worthless hack movie-maker gets the rights to all the big franchises and slings garbage.  Then again, the Star Wars series collapsed into feature length toy commercials with Episode VI, so he can't mess that up.  I'm sure he won't improve it, either.

[knightstorm]

Lets just agree that we don't want ships that look like they were designed by Steve Jobs and leave it at that.

[JanB]

I actually think that on the outside the Abramish ships look better than those from TOS. The TOS-hull look wasn't even a conscious look. just the cheapest and fastest way to slap together some round and rectangular pieces of plastic. TOS ships always looked so vulnerable to me (the nacelle pylons of the Constitution class, the neck of the D7) and didn't look like they were made out of metal. Abramish weapon hardpoints are much more realistic as well (many weapons, large firing arcs, point defenses). Of course any new productions are going to look more like the Abramish look, TOS itself would've looked more liked that if they had had the budget and the visual effects technology...

On the inside Abramish ships do look too much like blinding Apple stores, then again the TOS sets were way too colorful and had no useful control panels, TMP had much better sets.

[Captain Adam]

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[[UFP]Exeter]

The only question is if we can get models acceptable?

I can convert all else and have the current codebase modified this week.  I will keep the number of playable races the same just disable all but klingon/Federation.  They can still be modded in.

The ship classes we need are:
The Four Years War caused a military buildup between the Klingon Empire and Federation, resulting in numerous advances in starship technology. The following classes saw action in this conflict:

    Federation:
        Achernar-class • Baton Rouge-class • Constitution-class • Heston-class • Tikopai-class • Anton-class • Canopus-class • Apache-class • Larson-class • Marklin-class • Monoceros-class • Portsmith-class • Siva-class • Loknar-class • Fenlon-class • Bode-class • Hale-class • Hermes-class • Nelson-class • Sawyer-class • Chariot-class • Dollond-class • Kepler-class • Ptolemy-class • Cochrane-class • Aakenn-class • Liberty-class • Eagle-class • Cygnus-class

    Klingon
        D'aka-class • T'h'lar-class • D'ama-class • K't'agga-class • Z'gal-class • Riskadh-class • Kl'sarza-class • Death Rite-class • Kalath-class • Z'Mortama-class • Talat Kh'exesta-class • K'nel-class • Plen Zha-class • Koreba-class • Zha Mortas-class

I will go though the list and see what we have from sfc

[Captain Adam]

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[[UFP]Exeter]

I would have to see about the .MOD format, but milkshape has a .MOD plugin that works and I can read the milkshape format.

I will use what I have to continue and we can do model changes as we need them.  Already have a system to easily add/change models.

[Captain Adam]

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[[UFP]Exeter]

right now I have  list that I posted in this thread that I am investigating to see if I have any of the models.

I will post that in the next few days.

[Captain Adam]

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[Bernard Guignard]

 I see some FASA ship names and Names from the Star trek Space Flight Chronology there.