Topic: Romulan Condor - wip

[Thu11s]

Mesh is pretty much there, now just have to paint it






and a comparison with the FireHawk



More updates soon

Thu11s  

[Rogue]

An  evil  Romulan Condor?

Sorry, I meant to make this comment with Andurils Condor WIP. I thought it to be funny. (easily amused) Never mind, I'm out to make myself laugh, if no one else.

Anyway, I really appreciate your work on the Romulans. Certainly look great for a TMP fleet. And I am dearly fond of your firehawk and sparrowhawk. They were really crying out to be done. Yours set a high level of excellence.

How do feel about the warp extensions at the end of the Condor's wings? To my eye they don't quite fit. Perhaps eliminate them and rotate the engines 90 degrees? Or drop them down like jet engines near the end of the wings. Just a thought.  

[sandman69247]

Looks good...when can I blow it up!? Keep 'em coming.
 

[Captain KoraH]

Thu11s Would you mind if I take some ships from your site to use in my TNZ mod? I'm adding the Gorn to the mod and I need a good base model. Also, I really love your Romulans. I remember when you finally released the Firehawk, and I raved and raved about it. This model looks to be another winner. One thing I might change though is the sweep angle of the wings. Great textures like you use will probably make it look less straight than this WIP, but nearly every Rom ship has sharply swept wings, and this one would fit more with other Roms if it did too. I can't wait to see it complete.  

[Marauth]

SUUWEEEET! I cannae wait fer this one... I agree with KoraH though - maybe just give the wings a tiny bit more of a forward sweep, right now it looks too SFB Klingon - like the KF5 I think it is (never played SFB)

Thu11s - what ever happened to that kick-ass Skyhawk you posted pics of when you first showed us the Killerhawk and Sparrowhawk? It looked almost finished - had most of the textures already on it.

[Klingon Fanatic]

Reminds me of a Quetzalcoatulus; a giant pterosaur from the late Cretaceous (Texas area).

Outstanding! The Romulans definitely need more ships!

Qa Pla!

KF  

[RipperMan]

nice to see a new ship from you my friend ;-) lets see some textures! :-D  

[Rod O'neal]

I like this because it looks a little "out of date", older generation than the
Killerhawk/Firehawk. (Which IMO it should.) Maybe, reaching back a little closer to the TOS era with Klingo/Romulan
lines being very obvious. That's what it speaks to me, anyway  

[Marauth]

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I like this because it looks a little "out of date", older generation than the
Killerhawk/Firehawk. (Which IMO it should.) Maybe, reaching back a little closer to the TOS era with Klingo/Romulan
lines being very obvious. That's what it speaks to me, anyway    

Well yeah, but that's what the old series ships are - the Condor was pretty much the last ship the Romulans came up with when everyone else started making DNs and BBs, the only ships that came after it were the King Condor (BB) and the 2 X-ships which I don't know the name of... The ship has the same Klink style engines of the other new series ships (as opposed to the fed style cigar nacelles from the old series ships) the 2 separate hulls with an interconnecting boom - like the Klink ships as opposed to the single hull designs of the old series. Also it's kind of absurd that the Rommies would have built a Dreadnought before any actually useful cruiser and frigate designs because although the old series ships could serve admirably as overpowered firgates and the Klink trade ships could act as reserve ships (they were the very bottom rung of the Klink navy - mostly mothballed ships) the Rommies REALLY badly needed a new fleet of cruisers and destroyers - not overpowered Dreadnought behemoths.

[Desty_Nova]

TVL, the Condor is a Romulan new series ship. The King Eagle(or was it Vulture? I suddenly can't remember) was their old 'dreadnought', part of the Eagle series. The Condor is not out of date but in fact a new and  extremely capable and dangerous ship. Also, only the ships purchased from the Klingons had klingon-style warp engines, new series ships like the Sparrowhawk, Killerhawk, and Skyhawk do in fact have cigar warps as well. Sorry, I'm being nitpicky.

[Marauth]

Actually I said that it was a new series ship, it was Mr. O'neal who said that it looked 'out of date' and I was basing my observations on the klingon design influences becasue if you look at Thu11s Firehawk, Killerhawk and Sparrowhawk you'll see that his versions do indeed have engines similar in appearance to those on the K'T'inga and they do have the 2 hulls with a connecting 'neck' section - like the K'T'inga - so his ships seem to draw together Klingon design with the best of Romulan aeshetics. Which makes much more sense than the SFB Rommies which seem to show almost no design progress on the old series ships and the SFB Condor is just basically an inflated War Eagle with a sphere stuck on the front - quite hideous IMO - though Anduril's new version looks pretty nice. The King Eagle was the equivalent to a Dreadnought for the Roms before they got ahold of a Klink C8 for conversion, it was just a War Eagle with far too many weapons and quite poorly matched to the Fed class or the C8

[Thu11s]

Hi all, quick update, swept the wings forwards more

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Thu11s Would you mind if I take some ships from your site to use in my TNZ mod? I'm adding the Gorn to the mod and I need a good base model

Yup, go for your life. As i say to everyone else, give credit where its due. All my downloads have 'credit.txt' files, see these for the origin of each model

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Well yeah, but that's what the old series ships are - the Condor was pretty much the last ship the Romulans came up with when everyone else started making DNs and BBs, the only ships that came after it were the King Condor (BB) and the 2 X-ships which I don't know the name of... The ship has the same Klink style engines of the other new series ships (as opposed to the fed style cigar nacelles from the old series ships) the 2 separate hulls with an interconnecting boom - like the Klink ships as opposed to the single hull designs of the old series. Also it's kind of absurd that the Rommies would have built a Dreadnought before any actually useful cruiser and frigate designs because although the old series ships could serve admirably as overpowered firgates and the Klink trade ships could act as reserve ships (they were the very bottom rung of the Klink navy - mostly mothballed ships) the Rommies REALLY badly needed a new fleet of cruisers and destroyers - not overpowered Dreadnought behemoths.

Ok, As I stated when i made the first FireHawk model (and pretty much most of my models), I've tried to create TMP era ships (being a TMP freak) that follow the lines of the old SFB style ships (ie, top down view of the old SSD's and being an old time Sfb'r) and the SFB history. Hence the Romulans that follow a design lineage that is uniquely Romulan, but has clear roots in Klingon design, using Klingon based technology (see the klink style warp nacelles and so on). Since the Romulans never developed there own Warp technology but 'exchanged' with the Klinks, in my eyes, it makes sense that there nacelle design would stay close to the original style as would the overall layout of ship, again folowing on from the original Kestrel series ships (Klingon ships for non SFB'rs). Bascially they took the best points of the old Eagle series  (War Eagles etc) and the mid Kestrel series (KDR's etc) and developed the Hawk series (SparrowHawk and FireHawk etc). They attempted to strike a balance between the old ships general hard as nails design and the Klingon's light, manouverability style. The end result was a powerful design series that was equivalent to the 'War' versions of other races. In essence, the SkyHawk could be considered a War Destroyer and the SparrowHawk a War Cruiser and so on (the KillerHawk was only ever built to replace a destroyed DN for example!) Add to this, I've also tried to incorporate a style that could concievably lead to the Next Gen style of Warbird etc, again showing a logical progress in design. So in all, you get a TMP style ship that has roots in TOS Klingons that leads to TNG Romulans! Kinda brain ache stuff when designing it, but I think im getting there!

Anyway, be out soon, along with the SkyHawk

Rant over

Thu11s  

[Bernard Guignard]

Hi Thu11s
   Its looking very good looking forward to seeing the final product keep up the great work  

[Marauth]

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Hence the Romulans that follow a design lineage that is uniquely Romulan, but has clear roots in Klingon design, using Klingon based technology (see the klink style warp nacelles and so on). Since the Romulans never developed there own Warp technology but 'exchanged' with the Klinks, in my eyes, it makes sense that there nacelle design would stay close to the original style as would the overall layout of ship, again folowing on from the original Kestrel series ships (Klingon ships for non SFB'rs).

Oh dear! What a can of worms that is - I know in SFB they said that the Romulans never developed their own warp drive but that is just plain BS - same as the FASA assumption that the Klingons would have TNG ships with Excelsior nacelles and phasers. It is impossible that the Romulans could have maintained any kind of empire behind the neutral zone inbetween the Romulan-Earth war and TOS, also I don't care what anyone says they could never have reached Earth during the war (which was quoted in that TOS ep. Balance of Terror I believe it was) or even cross the neutral zone with 1 War Eagle to fight the Enterprise. It was a scripting error that GR himself disowned anyway - the Romulans had warp drive at least by the 2250s to fight their war with Earth - on www.ex-astris-scientia.org there is a very nice article about this which raises the possibility that Scotty's line 'their power is simple impulse' actually meant they used a fusion powered engine core - which is what the Fed's use for their impulse engines, however it is possible the Rommies used it to power their warp drive.

Rant over LOL

Oh and the new sweep of the wings looks alot better, much more agressive.

[Marauth]

Bump - couldn't let this one fall to page 2!

Any news Thu11s?

[Lord Schtupp]

I like that a lot - a very slick and convincing klink/romulan

[Captain KoraH]

I agree with Schtupp. You have always made very convincing connection between Klingon and Romulan designs. This looks like another really sweet ship that you can be proud of.  

[Rod O'neal]

Any updates? I was wondering if you have any textures applied yet that we might see?

[Steelviper33]

Can i get a Hoo-Ah!

And I throw a bump out there too

[starforce2]

Sounds like a good ship, sucks none of the pix are working...