Topic: OP+ corrections thread (Read 65013 times)

TarMinyatur · « **Reply #20 on:** May 03, 2003, 01:01:24 am »

K-D7C should have 3 tractors until it gets the 2 extra tractors/mechlinks for PFs. (Look closely, it's not just a mechlink refit, two new tracs are installed on the waist.) You could add a K-D7CF, although the D7C would likely be refitted to a D7L before it got the trac/mechlink refit. I decided to give it to the D7L since it is in the right era(2275). The K-D7C is 136 without the trac/mechlink refit. 140 with it.

Likewise the R-KRC and R-KRCS should have 3 tractors not 5. Your R-KRCSF's 5 tracs are OK. Additionally, all the KRCS's should have 5 APR, not 7.

The G-CC+ and G-CCF should have 2 APR, not 3.

Fed CA+ shouldn't automatically have the RH Ph-1 refit. It should have just the Ph-3 and G-rack refit. Your CA+ is really a CAR+.

Your L-DWL got the PowerPack refit. I think the DWLP should get it (as Taldren tends to combine the PowerPack and Phaser refit together, see CWL vs CWLP) or you need to make a base DWL that is without a PowerPack.

Possible Combinations of L-CWL (134 bpv)
CWL = 30 power
CWL-Phas = 30 power, Ph3 to Ph1 refit, +4 bpv (unbuilt)
CWL-Pow = 34 power, +9 bpv (unbuilt)
CWL-Phas+Pow = 34 power, +13 bpv (Taldren's CWLP)

Combinations of L-DWL (103 bpv)
DWL = 23 power (not in OP+ shiplist)
DWL-Phas = 23 power, Ph3 to Ph2 refit, +2 bpv (unbuilt)
DWL-Pow = 27 power, +9 bpv (your "DWL" although it didn't pay for PowerPack, bpv = 103)
DWL-Phas+Pow = 27 power, Ph3 to Ph2 refit, + 11 bpv (your "DWLP" although it didn't pay for PowerPack, bpv = 106)

Cleaven · « **Reply #21 on:** May 03, 2003, 01:15:22 am »

Quote:

.. only way that'll work with the players using the Taldren shiplist is to not use it.
A 100% purist SFB shiplist is the only way to make it work.

SO! Back to square 1. Add. Fix. Adjust. That's it.
-- Luc

I wasn't going to say that, but it is quite true. Just remember that you cannot disappoint me any more than I was after playing on the D3 the first time (which has since improved a tad). With that as low water mark for lost potential in SFC you would have to do something really weird to make it worse.

FireSoul · « **Reply #22 on:** May 03, 2003, 01:38:06 am »

Hey Tar,

Could you check the gorn Tugs? I think my BPVs are low. I used the BPV instead of EPV and now I wonder..
-- Luc

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #23 on:** May 03, 2003, 02:31:30 am »

I don't think that you can get too hung up on precise BPVs. Loadouts yes, but BPVs no. Not to through a monkey wrench into everything, but here's my reasoning. How much do you subtract from the BPV because Feds don't have partial photon OLs? How much do you subtract because plasmas can't be rolling delayed? How much do you add because envelopers can be held? How much do you subtract from the disruptor races and the Hydrans because you can't leave disruptors and fusions unarmed so you can put power into shield reinforcement while they close on the opponent and then instantly switch power from shields to weapons. How much more BPV do we add to the Hydrans because they don't use power to arm their fighters. How much should we subtract from the drone races, especially the Mirak, because every ship in the game has Aegis fire control, or the equivalent. Etc... This isn't complaining. The game plays good and is IMO the best game out there. Adding to it in the way you are definately makes it better. I can tell that you're getting stressed though, and some things just aren't going to transpose directly over for exactly the same BPVs. Do like you intended, add the "missing" ships and play with it. Balance problems are going to take a while to figure out. Don't drive yourself crazy. It's a lot, probably too much, for one person to figure out all at once.

TarMinyatur · « **Reply #24 on:** May 03, 2003, 04:05:11 am »

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Holocat · « **Reply #25 on:** May 03, 2003, 05:55:35 am »

Hey, I read that the ISC get something called 'Torpedo fighters' on one of the threads Firesoul has abandoned recently.

What is that, exactly?

A small housecat, lost, in a sea of beer swillin', flame fillin', starship spillin', SFBers,

Holocat.

FireSoul · « **Reply #27 on:** May 03, 2003, 10:53:51 am »

I've readded the tugs using the EPV. That should stop cheaters.

-- Luc

FireSoul · « **Reply #28 on:** May 03, 2003, 10:56:49 am »

Thanks people..

.. any other fixes you want me to do before I send this one out?
-- Luc

FireSoul · « **Reply #29 on:** May 03, 2003, 12:41:12 pm »

allright then.
2.1c is declared final, and is to be released now.

FireSoul · « **Reply #31 on:** May 03, 2003, 11:03:42 pm »

Thanks Rod..
.. sometimes a little "keep going" helps. .. I need that from you guys laterly.

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #32 on:** May 03, 2003, 11:19:48 pm »

FireSoul, I know what you are doing is a TON of work. Anyone who doesn't understand needs to sit down and add, oh say 100 ships to the game. shiplist, strings, shipnames, etc... Checking each one to see if it works, and then release it, only to find that they've made typos etc. and then multiply that by 10 or 15 fold, to get to the size of yours. Then redo it 3 or 4 or 5 times. then have someone say that they aren't trying to do it right because they didn't address every single complaint or criticism to EVERYONE'S satisfaction. They just might feel a bit underappreciated and be a bit more understanding.

TarMinyatur · « **Reply #34 on:** May 04, 2003, 01:19:56 am »

That's cool stuff.

I've not yet learned how to usefully parse such data with Java apps.

FireSoul · « **Reply #35 on:** May 04, 2003, 01:23:56 am »

Cam you convert the MSC files into DB-like structures I could parse through?
Maybe with copy-paste or something.. I dunno. I'm pretty sure some corrolation between the MSC and any shiplist could be done.

FireSoul · « **Reply #36 on:** May 13, 2003, 09:47:45 pm »

Note to self:

There's a Romulan CL with '???' for name.. a SEG?
.. needs to be checked.

jdmckinney · « **Reply #37 on:** May 16, 2003, 12:06:17 pm »

I-CPF and CPFW should be classed LIGHT_CRUISER, not NEW_HEAVY_CRUISER. They're wuss boats with just a couple phasers. They are police ships on CL hulls.

Many of the Romulan new-design cruisers are probably overclassed as HEAVY_BATTLECRUISER. Roms have bloated BPVs due to the cloak, so some of the 170-190 BPV hawks should probably be NCA or CA. This is a tricky issue that needs more input.

G-BDDs seem a bit overclassed as WAR_DESTROYER considering BPVs are more in line with the DESTROYER class.

I noticed most, but not all, fast cruisers are "R"estricted. Either all of them should be, or none of them should be (I prefer the latter).

Some FFV/DDV ships are not classed as CARRIER, but some DWV/HDWV are classed as CARRIER even though they have the same number of fighters as the others. This is probably a case-by-case issue where blanket rules are hard to follow.

I believe some of the AxPFTs still have just 2 INTs, instead of 4. Specifically, the L-AxPFT and R-AxPFT have just 2. Adding 2 more will also require a BPV adjustment. The G-AxPFT has 4 INTs.

Romulan KRs (KR, KRB, KRM) should probably be classed as LIGHT_CRUISER, since they are D6 conversions, not D7 conversions. Those are the K7s and KRC/KRCS. The most obvious difference is the number of phasers.

FireSoul · « **Reply #38 on:** May 16, 2003, 04:35:31 pm »

Thanks Nomad..
I'll let things pill up for a while until I decide to do something about it.

-- Luc

jdmckinney · « **Reply #39 on:** May 16, 2003, 05:46:21 pm »

NP. I figured you were just using this as a running tally of feedback until you do your next revisions. I'll put in anything else I might notice so it's all in one place.

Keep up the good work.

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