Topic: Die Hard Re-banned (Read 64270 times)

Hertston · « **Reply #60 on:** January 30, 2003, 04:28:46 pm »

Quote:

There is no free speech on a privately owned board. You all agreed to the terms of use when you joined this board. If you violate those terms of use then Taldren is well within their rights to ban you permanently. And complaining about it will get you no where.

Quite true. It must be.. someone always posts something virtually identical on every board I've ever visited when this subject comes up

That said, whatever the "terms of use", there's no harm in giving these folks another chance, particularly if a full apology has been given. Being "within your rights" is no excuse for not doing the "right thing". I'd agree Taldren are pretty lenient though... I remember I really let rip at them over the Euro SFC2 fiasco, and that did'nt seem to trouble them unduly.

Alidar Jarok · « **Reply #61 on:** January 30, 2003, 04:29:14 pm »

I wish Taldren would tell us if they were re-banned because of something else they did since the new forums were put in place, or because they were correcting an error that caused them to be able to come back during the switch.

If it was something new, what was it?

I think we could at least use some info.

ChrsLWlstr · « **Reply #62 on:** January 30, 2003, 07:10:57 pm »

Brad Bowermaster · « **Reply #66 on:** January 30, 2003, 09:46:25 pm »

[quoteThe fact that they were announced as moderators very likely had nothing to do with it.

Just to clear something up, the moderators were selected based on the fact that they are beta testers. Since they are bound by an NDA, Taldren knows they are trustworthy based on almost a year (some more than a year) of there participation in testing and their ability to keep information secret. Their main purpose is to make sure no more porn is posted, as that is what got the image tags taken away in the first place. There is some debate as to whether they are actually allowed to edit posts, but that's another topic.

ChrsLWlstr · « **Reply #67 on:** January 30, 2003, 09:47:11 pm »

Live from a place where the banned can speak:

http://bozobits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=10694#10694

SSCF Hooch · « **Reply #68 on:** January 30, 2003, 09:59:43 pm »

Your point is taken, however if you where to not make a broad stroke statement I would not bother to respond. You have no reason to call Nanner into question here. The odd thing is he has laid rather low considering the time the game has been out. He has only chosen to remark on game related issues and far as I have seen.

I am not a Nanner hot button, or cheer leader for that matter. I only want my friends and fellow gamers un-banned that is all. It is most likely Ferrell's call and his alone. To bring Nanner into this is just plain silly and not worthy of discussion.

Hooch

Maxillius · « **Reply #70 on:** January 31, 2003, 12:34:43 am »

hmm... Die Hard's reply was a smidge over the top, but I think I might be too if I got banned for voicing my opinion when others can voice theirs on killing jews and plane-ramming buildings and get away with it. IF this were a democracy, I'd say post links to the offending posts and let the forum members vote on the action to be taken (hell, do it anyway, I'm curious!). But, as we are in the People's Republic of Taldren, it's their board. I come here by choice, and I know their rules, though I haven't actually seen nor read them. Therefore, if I want to piss off a programmer, it's my choice, but I do so knowing full well I may be banned the next day (or sooner). Sometimes I forget how good these forums really are (no I wasn't paid off). The last time I was a forum member of somethign remotely as free as this, they shut themselves down due to lack of money. My point? The next time you see me bitching about so and so getting banned it'll be Sub-Commander Accersitus arguing on my behalf

lol... Seriously, I'm signing off this futile task.

LongTooth · « **Reply #71 on:** January 31, 2003, 02:10:11 am »

A good morning bump from the U.K.

Credo Narth · « **Reply #72 on:** January 31, 2003, 06:40:37 am »

And a good morning comment, too. It's snowed here, no-one made it into work, so I can post in peace...

I must say that this little stunt of Taldren's has certainly backfired. Were they trying to keep personal attacks on themselves? Were they trying to keep attention focussed on SFC? Whatever the motive, banning the Taldren Three (or now Four?) certainly hasn't been the best handled effort Taldren have done.

The fact is that, whilst these guys' collective manner was wrong, their core matter was largely correct. SFC is a brilliant, brilliant gaming idea. But what have Taldren done with that idea? SFC1 was playable out of the box, but SFC2 was a complete shambles. Who remembers the increasing interminable delays, or the cloaking farce? Yes, it was corrected in patches, but it was completely unplayable off the shelf.

With SFC 3, I don't think that Taldren have really learned their lesson. the game doesn't work right... I've yet to finish the Romulan or federation SP campaigns, because the game hangs in the middle of loading certain missions. Ships explode. There's a power drain bug. There are ghost enemies that don't exist that you cannot defeat because they are not there, so you have no choice but to forfeit and lose prestige. It's not as bad as EAW, but let's be honest, it's not a lot better.

Waiting for the patch, I've been playing a couple of Activision's releases, Soldier of Fortune 2 and Voyager Elite Force. Unpatched, these games are brilliant. I downloaded the patches for them, and in playing terms, they are minor tweaks, at best. Nothing like the substantial fixing that appears to be required for SFC 3. Which leads me to wonder what Activision really think of Taldren. Professional workers getting a workable game out on schedule, or amateurs getting a shambles out and hoping that patches can fix it? It's a democracy, so you guys decide.

Now, Taldren has compounded their failings by withdrawing almost completely from commenting on the Forums. I remember when SFC 2 came out, that Erik and Dave were posting in the forum all the time explaining what they were doing to try to get things right. I was impressed by how honest they were, and how hard they were obviously working to get things straight. They were talking about patches after the patches, and what would get fixed when... Excellent PR stuff.

And now what? I've posted complaining about certain bugs many times, offering to send my savegames in, even offering to be a beta tester when Taldren recently asked for them. What did I get in response? Nothing, nada, jack s**t, not even a postcard from the delta quadrant. What's up with that? Have they been replaced by imposters put in place by the Dominion? It sure seems that way.

I wanted the Taldren of old to succeed in making SFC2 the cracking game that it turned out to be. Now, I am starting to hope that the Taldren of today will go bust, and from the ashes a bunch of programmers will arise that will get SFC 4 out that will be everything that SFC 3 should have been. I'm really not seeing that Taldren care about the game the way they used to. Their PR efforts have really gone up the spout. What happened, guys? The cone of silence is supposed to be from Maxwell Smart, not the Enterprise.

They can ban me for saying this, but it's my honest opinion. And I think a lot of other people that have all three games sitting on their shelves would at least accept my point.

Credo Narth · « **Reply #76 on:** January 31, 2003, 08:43:57 am »

Yes, but they had time to post aplenty when the SFC 2 CDs were as much use as a pair of hoop earrings. Aldaron, you've been here longer than I have, you should remember when Dave and Erik would constantly be telling us all what the status of the patch was, what bugs were going to be fixed first, what was going to be fixed next, and so on. It was simple stuff, but so effective.

I remember one ROm player going ballistic after a patch because he could cloak, but had lost the cloaking sound effect. Almost straightaway, I think Erik told him that they had to do this to allow the cloaking function to work, and that it would be fixed in the next patch. And it was. These days, what do we get? Very, very few responses. It's not hard, it doesn't take much time, and it certainly doesn't hurt how people feel about you.

As for being too busy on new projects these days, come on... A prime law of American business is that you serve your customers, and serve them well. American business turned customer service into an art form, but Taldren are turning it into a dog's breakfast. Ignoring ardent fans today for the sake of possible ones tomorrow is dangerous territory, and many a company has gone out of business through damaging their corporate reputation this way.

GE-Raven · « **Reply #77 on:** January 31, 2003, 08:52:24 am »

I also think that there is one important difference between the banned people who lashed out against the company and those who think Jews should all be killed (Again I would ban both). The likes of Arabman sticks to the OT forum. The rules there have always been more lax. I think there is less moderation there, as there should be as it has nothing to do with Taldren. However the on topic area of the forum has had lots of threads that are asking for things to be changed, fixed, revisted, etc... However, in each of the cases where some one was banned they broke from constructive criticism to the "Taldren Sucks" arguement.

Not a very effective way to get change. You attack a company and they will circle their wagons. You offer ideas and they "might" be evaluated and possibly incorporated in to the game. As far as earlier insinuations that "I have made it to the top". Get real, if you had decided to do something for the company (albeit nothing more than a gesture) as opposed to complain endlessly about how you were ripped off (my copy of SFC 3 seems to work quite well even though I am non to fond of the game) you might have had a little better response.

I also notice an extreme double standard by some who would call for the banning of DD who has made several mistakes but has apologized most every time. He has been banned, rightfully so, and has been banned several times. Perhaps you could take the sage words of wisdom offered to him and send them you those who "need to be freed"

Make a new callsign
Don't let on you were ever banned
Don't screw up again

TA DA!!!! You political prisoners are now free to post with impunity on the board. This assumes that their IP range wasn't blocked but I haven't heard of that measure being taken by against any that haven't tried hacking (and that was years ago).

GE-Raven

tagos · « **Reply #79 on:** January 31, 2003, 10:02:07 am »

Just my 2 pence worth but if companies release products with so many blatant, unfixed bugs they should be prepared to suck it up from people who have paid a lot of money for a faulty product.

How long has SFC3 been out? Is there a patch yet?

Me, I'm simply not going to buy another Activision/Taldren product, having been burned one to many times.

News:

Topic: Die Hard Re-banned (Read 64270 times) var addthis_config = {"data_track_clickback":true};

Hertston

Alidar Jarok

ChrsLWlstr

LongTooth

KBF-JD

KBF-JD

Brad Bowermaster

ChrsLWlstr

SSCF Hooch

Teck

Maxillius

LongTooth

Credo Narth

KBF-JD

Alidar Jarok

Aldaron

Credo Narth

GE-Raven

Hale

tagos

Topic: Die Hard Re-banned (Read 64270 times)