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Khalee

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Well the finale was ok till the end
« on: May 26, 2004, 07:59:43 pm »
And it just got ruined Enough with the time travel BS. looks like they are going to do every thing they can not to show what the fans want.
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kosh2000

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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2004, 08:01:53 pm »
umm i would like to start a bounty on there heads now!!!!!!!!! i will put in the frist 20.00 bucks  

nx_adam_1701

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2004, 08:03:30 pm »
I agree it was good til they got in that shuttle pod and headed for SF, my question is who or what species is that in the german uniform, looked like a reman to me, but am i going nutz

adam out

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2004, 08:08:10 pm »
All I got to say is one thing:

 WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    

The end totally sucked! Not MORE TIME TRAVEL!  INFACT I cant remember what time it is now!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh  

nx_adam_1701

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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2004, 08:09:35 pm »
Maybe the only way to fix the stupid time travel thingy they started is to go back in time lol
but really who the hell was the german alien???


adam out

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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2004, 08:17:04 pm »
it was an excellent eppisode (andorians included) all the way up until the end.. and yeah, ENOUGH OF THE POS time travel plots. this WAS star trek, not TIME trek.

Scipio_66

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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2004, 08:38:01 pm »
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it was an excellent eppisode (andorians included) all the way up until the end.. and yeah, ENOUGH OF THE POS time travel plots. this WAS star trek, not TIME trek.  




Good episode, and a nice way to end their best season......... until the end!

Not only can Berman and Braga not be bothered to check with Star Trek history, but they can't even be bothered to check with earth history.  Was there ever any human nation *less* likely to allow a subhuman looking alien into their midst -- make him a ranking officer in the SS no less -- than was Nazi Germany?  Maybe Imperial Japan, they were quite happy to slaughter Chinese 'animals', but if the Nazis rank second behind the Imperial Japanese then it isn't by much.

But nooooooo...... The nazis are bad guys.  The aliens are bad guys.  They must team up!

Garbage.  Pure garbage.

-S'Cipio
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nx_adam_1701

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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2004, 08:41:58 pm »
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it was an excellent eppisode (andorians included) all the way up until the end.. and yeah, ENOUGH OF THE POS time travel plots. this WAS star trek, not TIME trek.  




Good episode, and a nice way to end their best season......... until the end!

Not only can Berman and Braga not be bothered to check with Star Trek history, but they can't even be bothered to check with earth history.  Was there ever any human nation *less* likely to allow a subhuman looking alien into their midst -- make him a ranking officer in the SS no less -- than was Nazi Germany?  Maybe Imperial Japan, they were quite happy to slaughter Chinese 'animals', but if the Nazis rank second behind the Imperial Japanese then it isn't by much.

But nooooooo...... The nazis are bad guys.  The aliens are bad guys.  They must team up!

Garbage.  Pure garbage.

-S'Cipio  




lol

adam out

Commander Xizor

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2004, 09:03:44 pm »
I don't know... I liked the whole thing of this one... the ending was certainly unexpected, and I don't think we can really criticize it until we know more... it's called a cliffhanger.

nx_adam_1701

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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2004, 09:07:03 pm »
true,

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NannerSlug

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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2004, 09:08:49 pm »
but the cliff hanger is ANOTHER time travel POS.

there were many other trek eppisodes that did not involve time travel.

and scippy, you are 100% correct.

Alidar Jarok

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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2004, 09:17:59 pm »
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there were many other trek eppisodes that did not involve time travel.





But not Enterprise, the closest you can get to *not* having a cliff hanger is The Expanse (or Broken Bow?).

FFZ

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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2004, 09:35:00 pm »
 I found the entire episode anti-climatic.

The Xindi arrive, and only the Andorians are around to help?

Where are those useless Vulcans?

Then we get that the aquatics don't notice they just left Enterprise several centuries in the past!

Thanks for nothing, you water breathing goofs.

The P-51s at the end look like a flight simulator game, not the real deal, and we find a badly burned Archer mysteriously on Earth (how he got there from the weapon is anybody's guess) surounded by Nazis and aliens.

Who will save him, Indy? (rolleyes)

The end of the expanse was well done, as was finding out T'Pol is an old broad of 66.
 

nx_adam_1701

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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2004, 09:38:35 pm »
Now thats funny, you brought up some good points, esp, about the Xindi not realizing they left them behind in the past, that totally excaped me, and the Vulcans not helping, it figures.

adam out

 

Kroma_BaSyl

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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2004, 09:38:54 pm »
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I don't know... I liked the whole thing of this one... the ending was certainly unexpected, and I don't think we can really criticize it until we know more... it's called a cliffhanger.  




When I have hangers like that, I just wipe them off with a little toitet paper.
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SBOAdam

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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2004, 10:21:49 pm »
all i know is the only honorable way out if for this latest time travel stint to be nothing more than a vulcans drug induced dream.  I mean how many times do they need to reuse the same plot. The evil (insert race here) has gone back in time to (wipe/change) the human race, and only we know about it.  They need to get away from the time travel ideas  they have done them to death.  With enterprise they have a perfect situation,  Treat it like a historical document,  tell the history we all want to know.  the plot is already there they just need to fill in the gaps.

NannerSlug

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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2004, 10:49:42 pm »
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 Who will save him, Indy? (rolleyes)    




you never know when dr. jones might show up. yeah, thats it.. yeah.. short round will be there and all. lol.

somthing is really screwed up, that is for sure.. because you realize how seriously the time line is contaminated.. of course the understatment is that there is an alien standing next to two nazis (in a nazi camp). everyone is okay with it and they are wondering what sort of uniform archer is wearing.

shouldnt the question be.. who the frack is that alien d00d?

Rat_Boy

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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2004, 11:00:41 pm »
You have to admit, it sure beats watching Jack Bauer cry his eyes out for five minutes.


Edit: Ironic how everyone was happy that it was getting renewed last week.  Now I bet you guys wished they cancelled it instead.

Double Edit: Check out the subtitle of Trek Nation's review: Patterns of force plague Archer as he tries desperately to save Earth's future.

Get it?  Hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha!
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Scipio_66

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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2004, 11:07:43 pm »
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Edit: Ironic how everyone was happy that it was getting renewed last week.  Now I bet you guys wished they cancelled it instead.




Nah.  I just wished they had chopped the last three minutes off, launched Berman and Braga to the center of the sun, and then hired new writers for next season.

Shows usually repeat the last season's finale before starting the new season.  Hopefully a new Enterprise production team will edit out those last three minutes and then start the new season by forgetting the excised scenes ever appeared.  I'd happily go to my grave never finding out who that alien in the SS uniform was.  Can you hear Patrick Duffy warming up in the shower?

Who's got an address to send hate-mail to Berman and Braga?

-S'Cipio the hatemonger  
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Rat_Boy

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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2004, 11:12:34 pm »
To B&B's credit, nobody, and I mean nobody outside of Canada saw tonight's cliffhanger coming a mile away.  People were expecting the Romulans to show up and start blasting stuff into atoms, but instead we get a send-up to Planet of the Apes...the horendously bad version.

kosh2000

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« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2004, 12:21:30 am »
" Berman and Braga " aka not a clue  , can we please clone gene so he can come back and eject those two in to a deep hole .  

nx_adam_1701

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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2004, 01:14:15 am »
Good one lol, but the romulan idea would of been great, i was so excited thru out the entire episode, than time travel did it again lol, hilarious


adam out

Scipio_66

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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2004, 02:27:42 am »
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Double Edit: Check out the subtitle of Trek Nation's review: Patterns of force plague Archer as he tries desperately to save Earth's future.

Get it?  Hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha!




This review was so funny (and so dead-on accurate) I just had to copy part of it:

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Analysis: If there were any doubts about the worthiness of Enterprise to bear the name Star Trek, Rick Berman and Brannon Braga put them to rest with "Zero Hour", which lands the prequel firmly in classic Trek tradition. I don't mean because we get a glimpse of the founding of the Federation, a battle on a spherical weapon with more than a passing resemblance to a Borg sphere, a bunch of talk about timelines and the coming together of former enemies under the banner of peace. No, I'm talking about EVIL ALIEN NAZIS!
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You must forgive me for giggling when, after a near-perfect 50 minutes of television science fiction in which the Xindi arc was wrapped up stylishly in a very First Contact-like manner, the episode ends with the cheesiest of cliffhangers, throwing us back into "Patterns of Force" territory. What in hell are EVIL ALIEN NAZIS doing with U.S. warplanes? What year is it supposed to be on Earth? Did the Aquatics trick us? Was the entire Xindi arc a ruse to distract the crew from the real threat, in the form of the Suliban and time-tampering and a World War II which ended the wrong way? These questions won't be answered until the fall, by which time hopefully I will be able to address them with a straight face.
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I mean...this show has been so serious all season. End-of-the-world scenarios, grave moral choices, seeking hope for peace and exploration in a universe filled with distrust and fear, that sort of thing...darker than Deep Space Nine, which was too dark to be considered Star Trek by some fans. And where does it all end up? The captain makes the big sacrifice, the ship takes the great risk, the interdimensional aliens are vanquished, the lethal aliens become allies, the future Federation members come through in a pinch...and there are EVIL ALIEN NAZIS! I'm sorry, I can't help it; I'm not ready to stop giggling.
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Before this insane left hook of a cliffhanger, some nice things happen in "Zero Hour." T'Pol tells Trip her age - 66, same as the year the original series went on the air - and admits that it is an intimate act for a Vulcan to confess her age. Later she quotes Trip's concern for her to Phlox, saying that she guesses she's not so tough after all...and she pets poor Porthos, who is resting morosely in Sickbay, unaware, as the audience is, that of course Archer can't be dead because the show has been picked up for a fourth season. Malcolm has some nice moments doing he-man stuff aboard the Xindi weapon while his redshirts fall over railings into a bottomless pit ("No, Luke, I am your father!"), and Hoshi gets to have the tearful breakdown she was denied last week, predictably blaming herself for decrypting the Xindi launch codes and wishing she'd done a better job of killing herself.
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But suicide is Archer's job, as he earnestly informs Daniels and then Reed, refusing to allow his tactical officer to peform a task for which he's probably better qualified than the captain and certainly more expendable. That's fine - Janeway would have done the same, and did, in "The Killing Game", which also had EVIL ALIEN NAZIS...oops. I know that this does not sound like a very serious review. Maybe I'm just dizzy from all the cross-cutting, jumping from the weapon to Degra's ship to Enterprise to the sphere-builders' realm to the Reptilian ship to Shran's ship to the Sol system. Maybe I'm giddy to have seen Phlox on the bridge offering critical command advice, which was great, and then to have seen him back in Sickbay providing the comic relief as well in the form of dictating his will and placating his plants. Or maybe I'm in shock, so great is my relief and surprise that the Xindi weapon has not destroyed Earth.
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If the idea is to shake the show up, this cliffhanger is sheer brilliance. No one could have seen it coming in a million years, no matter which timeline you were in! And now we're going to have to have an arc in the fall explaining how the timeline got changed, whether it was related to the Xindi threat and the Guardians or completely incidental, whether this all ties back in with Silik and Future Guy or if maybe Captain Kirk saved Edith Keeler and Archer's going to have to find the Guardian of Forever and go back in time and phaser them both before her peace movement lets Hitler take over the world...fine, I guess someone's going to have to phaser me before I manage to get serious. EVIL ALIEN NAZIS!
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I shall write an essay wrapping up Enterprise's deeply enjoyable third season in a few days, after I have time to assimilate it all. For now, however, I just want to address Jonathan Archer with a quote by Agent Scully from "Triangle", the X-Files with the evil time-traveling Nazis and the submarine and all the kissing: "Now I want you to close your eyes, and I want you to keep saying, 'There's no place like home.'"



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CFA_Admiral_Tige

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« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2004, 06:47:02 am »
They've been away for more then 6 months since the beginning of the xindi timeline...where was NX-02???

 
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 What in hell are EVIL ALIEN NAZIS doing with U.S. warplanes?


Those looked like stars on those wings to me....and they're flying over san fran...bets are those were american pilots in those planes.


Could this be Daniels doing?? He took Archer back through time to save him since he couldnt be beamed off, and then he brought  Enterprise back as well?  That would ALSO mean the aquatic ship is 'minorly' displaced in time....



In my opinion they found an interesting way to solve the Trek Timeline problem...take the ship out of the timeline!
 

Rat_Boy

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« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2004, 10:18:51 am »
I had a thought before I went to bed.  Anybody got a pic of when the shuttle approaches San Francisco?  Might be helpful in determining whether or not they've time traveled, in an alternate universe, or at a duplicate Earth, TOS-style.

Death_Merchant

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« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2004, 11:03:35 am »
DM's Observations:

1) So we learn T'Pol is 66? You know they wanted to say 69. You just KNOW they did.....

2) "Fast Forward" on my remote not working!
I kept pushing it, but nothing happened! You knew what had to happen: Spheres and weapon must go BOOM....just get to it... Yawn.
Trip pulls it off at the very last possible second? Well slap me upside the head with a smelly trout! Who'da thunk that would happen?
Instead of intently watching the show and being drawn into the story, I found myself feeling my pulse and counting heartbeats of lifetime lost watching this...

3) Tomatoes!
Ever see old Bugs Bunny cartoons? Daffy Duck gets pelted onstage with vegetables due to his pure-suckage?
I watched the ending.... and was momentarily stunned. Like a deer caught in headlights.....
Tomatoes!?! Where the hell are my tomatoes?  

Tirus

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« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2004, 11:50:11 am »
I bet the aquatics are going to be pissed when they get back home and find nothing but tadpoles.

Age

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« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2004, 01:40:32 pm »
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Edit: Ironic how everyone was happy that it was getting renewed last week.  Now I bet you guys wished they cancelled it instead.




Nah.  I just wished they had chopped the last three minutes off, launched Berman and Braga to the center of the sun, and then hired new writers for next season.

Shows usually repeat the last season's finale before starting the new season.  Hopefully a new Enterprise production team will edit out those last three minutes and then start the new season by forgetting the excised scenes ever appeared.  I'd happily go to my grave never finding out who that alien in the SS uniform was.  Can you hear Patrick Duffy warming up in the shower?

Who's got an address to send hate-mail to Berman and Braga?

-S'Cipio the hatemonger  


I will agree with you Scipio lets hope it is one big dream.I will say this though they had to do it couldn't they just on planned than Archer got back on board Daegras ship so this wouldn't of happened and a nother thing is not AGIAN.I hope they write this season off as one big dream that Archer is haveing just like Pamala Ewing do when she saw Bobby stepping out of the shower.I hope Archer steps out of it aswell.If any of you live in the LA basin please phone Paramount and tell them this and tell them to read these boards.That includes you to Ann.

 There is one thing good it was nice to see the Andorians to show up and see how thet fight with thier ships and they have been in space longer and they don't have all that great weaponery.I hope DH enjoyed seeing them in combat.
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Daew Anahos

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« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2004, 01:41:16 pm »
Okay, I know I'm going to get flamed for this but...I liked the alternate timeline ending.

Why not? They've trashed the universe as we know it so why not bring in a Sliders type arc?

Patterns Of Force was one of my favorite TOS episodes.

It looks like WWII never got finished. There was an old movie, "The Shape Of Things To Come" where WWII lasted much longer then known history by several decades.

Technically it's not a "time travel" ending per se, it's a timeline/different dimension ending.

Honestly, I'm interested to see how they restore the timeline or maybe the timeline gets changed to what's "known" and established.

Maybe it's the, well hell, the fans are ticked off enough so let's go for broke mentality

(When do Doc And Marty pop in with the Deloran???)

BTW, nice seeing Jeffery Coombs in the episode. He was good as Weyoun/Brunt in DS9.

/dons flame proof suit and ducks  

SSCF_LeRoy

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« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2004, 02:38:30 pm »
I gotta say that ending was the last thing I expected to see Although I think it's kinda stupid ( ), I also want to find out why Enterprise has been transported back to WWII, what an alien is doin' dressed up as a Nazi in the 1940's, and why all the other Germans seem to be OK with that

After seein' that shuttlepod fly through a swarm o' P-51's, I think we now know where those WWII "foo fighter" sightings came from  
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FFZ

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« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2004, 03:24:09 pm »
 That is a very cool signature, but could you make it a little smaller LeRoy?

When you big sig dudes post, the entire thread distorts, and I have to scroll left and right to read a sigle sentance.

Please have pity on us less technicallt able, who have to view with normal monitors.
 
 

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« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2004, 03:50:51 pm »
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 ENOUGH OF THE POS time travel plots. this WAS star trek, not TIME trek.  




   

Age

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« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2004, 03:57:16 pm »
  What that episode reminded me of in the TOS episode where the Enterprise is in the sixties and a Starfighter is inteceptor is intercepting the Enterprise.The pilot of the fighter is beamed on board the 1701 and his mind is whiped clean to forget what he saw and was beam back aboard his fighter jet.

  I hope T'Pol is a good as Spock to figure out the calculations to warp around the sun.This is so they can  get back to thier own time as badly beat up as that ship is I wonder if they can do it.I wonder if that ship can handle it it took a lot out of 1701.  

SSCF_LeRoy

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« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2004, 04:37:14 pm »
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 That is a very cool signature, but could you make it a little smaller LeRoy?

When you big sig dudes post, the entire thread distorts, and I have to scroll left and right to read a sigle sentance.

Please have pity on us less technicallt able, who have to view with normal monitors.
 
 




I'm runnin' a 15 inch monitor at 800 x 600 res so I know what yer talkin' about. I'll git right on fixin' it.  

SSCF_LeRoy

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« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2004, 04:52:24 pm »
How is it now?  

Rat_Boy

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« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2004, 06:11:37 pm »
Ah, this post at the Trek BBS has what I'm seeking.

While there aren't any obvious landmarks on the right to help make a determination, there is one thing that definately means that it's in the past: no skyscrappers.  Plus, the northern side of the Golden Gate (seen on the left) is fairly undeveloped.  The East Bay also looks kind of sparse.

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« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2004, 06:16:40 pm »
I thought the pacing of the finale sucked.  The previous episode was much more compelling and better shot.  The final Nazi moment. Let's just say Castle Wolfenstein meets that TOS Nazi episode.  I think that will be a one-off storyline.  I mean, you can't have a 22nd century starship interfering in WWII , can you, aka The Final Countdown????  That would be silly.

FFZ

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« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2004, 08:36:51 pm »
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How is it now?  


Outstanding!

May the great bird of the galaxy smile upon you!
 

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« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2004, 08:49:46 pm »
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Okay, I know I'm going to get flamed for this but...I liked the alternate timeline ending.

Why not? They've trashed the universe as we know it so why not bring in a Sliders type arc?

Patterns Of Force was one of my favorite TOS episodes.

It looks like WWII never got finished. There was an old movie, "The Shape Of Things To Come" where WWII lasted much longer then known history by several decades.

Technically it's not a "time travel" ending per se, it's a timeline/different dimension ending.

Honestly, I'm interested to see how they restore the timeline or maybe the timeline gets changed to what's "known" and established.

Maybe it's the, well hell, the fans are ticked off enough so let's go for broke mentality

(When do Doc And Marty pop in with the Deloran???)

BTW, nice seeing Jeffery Coombs in the episode. He was good as Weyoun/Brunt in DS9.


/dons flame proof suit and ducks    





I have to say I agree with this line of thinking, and it seems they are in the 1940s due to San Francisco not being developed like it would be today. We all knew Captain Archer couldn't die - that's the same as killing Kirk. Recall that it was about the third season when TNG got its stride, same for DS9. Voyager - well - you decide. Archer indeed was saved by the time traveling Enterprise J Captain. I see no other explanation, as Archer will be pivotal in the Birth of the Federation.
 Perhaps the destruction of the Alien Spheres skewed the timeline and altered the present - or threw them all back to the 40s. The German Alien may somehow be a desendent of the Reptilians, and perhaps at least one Reptilian got to Earth before the weapon exploded. That would support a skewed timeline. The Reptilian mated with an Earth female, producing a hybrid..  

All Speculation, of course. This makes me want to play Enemy Territory on my brother's server..  

I am looking forward to the the next season.
 
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FFZ

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« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2004, 11:05:10 pm »
 The flaw is the prestine US P-51 Mustangs, if history changed, why are they are still using pistion propellar internal combustion engines in the 2160s?

There areno  more effective aircraft then a 220 year old plane??!
 
 

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« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2004, 11:38:45 pm »
Reminds me of Quantum Leap, the witers really leaped their ass's into it now

adam out

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« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2004, 11:53:34 pm »
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Reminds me of Quantum Leap, the witers really leaped their ass's into it now

adam out  




Oh Boy.  

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« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2004, 12:07:55 am »
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Oh Boy.  

Stephen  





If the writers don't have Archer do that next season when he wakes up to see the Nazis, then they'll never do it ever.

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« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2004, 02:10:10 pm »
EVIL ALIEN NAZIS!  

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« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2004, 03:04:47 pm »
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« Reply #45 on: May 28, 2004, 10:33:23 pm »
  I loved it, it was exactly what happen, think the author is a Betazoid?


adam out

Age

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« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2004, 02:18:25 am »
   Cute very Cute  

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« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2004, 10:35:47 am »
I would like to suggest that we should not judge a book by it's cover. This could be one of the worst episodes or it could be cool. I lean towards bad, but I am willing to see the season opener before I judge it.

Continuity has never been B&B's strong suit, but killing Nazi's is always fun.

If it is 1944, I wonder how the Enterprise will impact the outcome. I would;

1. Use the Enterpise to bombard the Normandy Beaches (we know where everything is, heh)
2. Destroy all of their oil refineries and synthetic oil facilities.
3. Capture all of the Nazi leadership and put them on trial.
4. Liberate the death camps

In the Pacific
1. Sink the combined fleet
2. Destroy their merchant marine
3. Destroy all aircraft and engine production facilities
4. Save the USS Indianapolis!    

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2004, 06:42:14 pm »
Well, it airs on Monday here in the UK, so I'll get the full, erm...."experience" then.

I admit it though, I really thought this was going to be the last season - the penultimate episode had the hallmarks (They wrote out a minor character a la Neelix, Ro, the-brat-that-shall-not-be-named-but-has-the-initials-W.C.) and they left themselves a plot situation that could ONLY be solved by time travel (All Good Things). B&B do seem a little too fond of time travel though.

On a completely unrelated note, why do the bad guys always try mucking with history? The very act of interfering guarantees that the events you're trying to prevent will happen (since those events must occur for you to be interfering in the first place). You'd think that at least one uber villian would have worked this out by now...  


Going conpletely offtopic of course, I'm surprised this account's still active, given when I last fired it up. My god....

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2004, 08:15:06 pm »
Well, I saw the finale too and I must admit the last 2 minutes where really.... well.... unexpected.    I had told people for a long time that Enterprise was most likely a different Timeline and that is the reason why things are so different then the Star Trek Timeline.  But this finale episode just makes me scratch my head.  I mean, the alternate timeline where the Xindi exist and their is no Romulan War and how things are quite different then in the Star Trek Timeline really puts up the potential of other new series (like a 23rd Century show after Enterprise or something).  It could even possibly see a Kirk Episode in the 23rd Century only in this timeline.

But instead, we get a whole different twist with this Alien Nazi stuff.  I don't even know if this is suppose too be the 22nd century or 20th.  Man, I really miss the Star Trek Time line in the 24th century.  

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #50 on: June 06, 2004, 04:46:48 pm »
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Agree, IIRC  they say "It looks pretty normal to me" when they went to earth in the shuttle. But the landscape should be very different between 20th and 22nd century. And yet they have airplanes........    
I think it is an alternate universe.

Mariano  

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2004, 12:04:27 am »
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 I don't even know if this is suppose too be the 22nd century or 20th. :  




Agree, IIRC  they say "It looks pretty normal to me" when they went to earth in the shuttle. But the landscape should be very different between 20th and 22nd century. And yet they have airplanes........    
I think it is an alternate universe.

Mariano  




I think it's an alternate timeline...not time travel. Something is seriously wrong in 22nd century San Francisco.

After all,you'd think they would have noticed immediately if it was San Francisco in the 20th century. Instead,it looked "normal" to them.

So who screwed with the time-line THIS time???*LOL*

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2004, 01:33:43 pm »

Has anyone identified the Alien Nazi (by race)

Someone on a movie forum did, and I checked - he was correct.

If you identify the Alien race, then imho you know who manipulated the Time Line (this time) and why.

I won't give it away (my opinion) here unless people really want me to.





 

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #53 on: June 07, 2004, 03:37:05 pm »
Finale just aired in the UK on Sky 1 and....well....

The WW2 birds were P51 Mustangs, which plonks the date as '42-'55 (very approximately, unless B&B are playing fast and loose with history again).

As for our mystery alien, I've got it narrowed down to two possibles (well, one probable and a possible). Shan't speculate any further though for the moment.

As for the collective cabbagehead moment when they get to Earth, can't raise the folks back home and don't apparently think to scan the planet, which would have shown up the absence of SFHQ, the orbital stations and probably the Lunar colony in an instant, well....

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2004, 03:23:41 am »
Of course not.  Why should it occur to them to check to make sure none of the satellites and outposts have been damaged or destroyed after a terrible attack that nearly destroyed the planet?  After all, this is B&B's Starfleet we're talking about, not Rodenberry's.

And something else that bothered me that no-one has yet mentioned.  Where were Earth's defense ships?  When the Klingons chased the Enterprise back to Earth, several ships showed up to run the attackers off.  If I recall correctly, they weren't at that time expecting an attack, so those ships must have just been patrolling or guarding the system.  Yet when the Xindi attack comes after a year's warning, there is nothing.  No defending ships at all.  Not even one little freighter.  They weren't in a new timeline yet, because the Reptilians saw a nice outpost to destroy.  So where was Earth's defense fleet?  

You know, it's getting harder and harder to give B&B the benefit of the doubt.  Serious fans have been complaining for years about time travel in Star Trek.  Critics have been complaining about the time travel.  Even general sci-fi fans don't like the time travel.  So what exactly are B&B thinking?  "Hm, the entire fanbase and all the critics are telling us to stop doing time travel, no-one seems to like it at all, so everyone in the whole world must be wrong and we should do the exact opposite of what they say!"  It is really getting difficult to believe that they aren't deliberately trying to ruin Star Trek.  Maybe Berman is so bored with it that he wants it to die.  After all, he wasn't a great fan to begin with.  He was just a producer at Paramount who was assigned to the project back when Rodenberry was trying to create TNG.
 

CFA_Admiral_Tige

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2004, 06:52:46 am »
B&B seem to love to repeat themselves...do it once, do it again...so it was obvious to me that the "time travel vortex" thing would be used again.  

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end, POSSIBLE Outcome?
« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2004, 10:04:27 am »
  HI all new here this si my first post, plese take it tongue in cheek!  

  "We are B&B, surrender your genre and prepare for total suckiness! Resistance is Futile, Fans are Futile, ratings are Futile. Our primary goal is to make the audience groan in agony and then roll their eyes and say 'well it couldn't get any WORSE!' but lo and behold they WILL watch the next episode just to see and then we will asualt them relentlessly with overused plots and outright stolen skits that barely worked the first time! Oh yeah, all your base belong to us!" (that part I couldn't resist)

  ok nonsence over  

  Seriously, I can only think of ONE way to unscrew this pooch called Enterprise. Season 4 begins as we now see the beginnings of The TERRAN EMPIRE! Yes boys and girls you are now in the MIrror Universe! Alien Nazi? Sure no sweat he will tell Hitler that the Allies will develope the A-bomb BUT with HIS "help" he will make the 3rd Rich(sp?) Invincible! Blah Blah Blah, Archer convinces the Nazi's the Alien is WORSE than they are, they turn on him, some sort of deal is made, Archer and Company try to make the world a better place and get smakced down HARD. Their place in history ends... LONG LIVE THE TERRAN EMPIRE! As Humanity takes it's place amoung the stars and as it's rightful FUTURE rulers! (taking the NX to their version of Vulcan to assimilate them and other races in the ships starchart memory banks!!! WOHOO continuity is restored (from a TE POV!)

  meanwhile back in the NORMAL universe things are rearrainged and now the history that all us fans know and love is restored as Q or The Preservers or other entities convieniently erase all knowledge of the Xindi and the attack or other disturbing events . Or time itself fixes it WHO CARES! Point is things go back to RELATIVE normal! Now for the next ST show featuring decendants fo the Ent-E crew or even some older memembers like Admiral Riker or Crewman B4 (Data). Maybe the Ent -G???  (rewwrite of all good things matbe? To transition Ent-e to Ent-G?)

  OR The new show can be the Terran Empire itself! Muhaah I would LOVE to see an EVIL Christopher PIKE! (He discovers the galactic barrier and gets psi powers becoming the first section 31 FURY! as he is experimented upon and altered DNA used to make twisted minions of this dark federation's heartless puppeteers. Oh dark Joy!

Thoughts?
 

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #57 on: June 10, 2004, 10:18:56 am »
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Has anyone identified the Alien Nazi (by race)

Someone on a movie forum did, and I checked - he was correct.

If you identify the Alien race, then imho you know who manipulated the Time Line (this time) and why.

I won't give it away (my opinion) here unless people really want me to.
   




Dunno..  I'll bite.
Who are they?


   

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end, POSSIBLE Outcome?
« Reply #58 on: June 10, 2004, 02:12:50 pm »
I really enjoy the 3rd season story. (and I haven't seen all the apisodes)
Think about this way, the Xindi plot ended when the super weapon was destroyed, and that was the end of the 3rd season. The nazi thing it's just the begining of the 4th season. And we know that there willt be a few story arcs. Who knows what will happen.!!!

Mariano
 

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #59 on: June 10, 2004, 05:31:09 pm »
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if those P-51's manage to score a "Lucky hit" and take the shuttlepod down.  Fortunatly T'Pol isn't on board.  Daneils will obviously be making an appearance in Season 4 Ep 1.

As for the missing fleet, I was very surprised not to find an armada of Earth Ships waiting for the Xindi, led by the NX-02 Columbia.  Even if she's missing a large part of her innards, you would think that they would have slapped the engines, weapons, and plating onto her and called her good to go.

Its a real shame that the execs at Paramount are either unable to do something about them or unwilling.  The show can be salvaged and it can get better ratings, but with those two at the helm, Season Four will be the last of Enterprise.  

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #60 on: June 10, 2004, 08:31:56 pm »
I agree 100%, when the borg first attacked earth, the federation used every ship they could, even outdated constitutions, and here nothing, but a stupid midas array, lol, your rite the shows gone nuts, and the people behind the scenes too, but i will watch the next new episode lol


adam out

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #61 on: June 10, 2004, 09:16:44 pm »
im waiting for your theory lono!

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #62 on: June 10, 2004, 09:36:22 pm »
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im waiting for your theory lono!  




Ditto

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Age

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #63 on: June 11, 2004, 02:11:34 am »
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Has anyone identified the Alien Nazi (by race)

Someone on a movie forum did, and I checked - he was correct.

If you identify the Alien race, then imho you know who manipulated the Time Line (this time) and why.

I won't give it away (my opinion) here unless people really want me to.
   




Dunno..  I'll bite.
Who are they?


   


They look a lttle like the Remans of the Planet Reman next to  Romulas.i wonder if that is what lono in referring to.I would like to know come on out with it.  

Lono

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2004, 06:29:04 pm »

Well since I don't think anyone has said it here's my take (which I think is correct)

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The Nazi General is a Remun!

Check out the Remuns from the last Trek movie and I believe it leaves little doubt.

Now, I say the dude from the future who's been messin' with teh Enterprise since the beginning is indeed a Romulan as many suspected.

When the Gecko dude's (ferget their name rightr now) informed the Enterprise of the Xindi Threat the Romulan from the future was quite in a good position.

Firstly he has the alt universe future punks gettin eliminated early (which had originally required Star Fleet to defeat)

and now he has used the "distraction" to alter Earth's timeline using WW II as the best point to seize control of the planet.

I believe we will see a Romulan furher (who may cover his ears), and who employs these Remnun Generals due to their fierce fighting ability.

Now - why the earth is still using WW II tech is anybody's guess.

Maybe the Romulan's have purposely slowed the technilogical progression by force, or Enterprise has indeed also gone back in time for some reason.

Also I think Archer's survival is believable if we are to believe that Borg survived the Sphere's fall to Earth (as well as being completely frozen for years)

Anyways - thats how I interpret these events - what do y'all think on this?

 

Age

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #65 on: June 11, 2004, 08:18:06 pm »
  I was right thet are Remans I knew those Romulans were no good.They say it themselves they are an arrogant bunch.That is make take on it.  

CFA_Admiral_Tige

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #66 on: June 12, 2004, 03:27:21 pm »
wouldnt the pilots see the english on the hull of it and stop?

Age

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2004, 03:31:11 pm »
   I guess Remans can't read English.That is my take on it .  

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Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #68 on: May 26, 2004, 07:59:43 pm »
And it just got ruined Enough with the time travel BS. looks like they are going to do every thing they can not to show what the fans want.
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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #69 on: May 26, 2004, 08:01:53 pm »
umm i would like to start a bounty on there heads now!!!!!!!!! i will put in the frist 20.00 bucks  

nx_adam_1701

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #70 on: May 26, 2004, 08:03:30 pm »
I agree it was good til they got in that shuttle pod and headed for SF, my question is who or what species is that in the german uniform, looked like a reman to me, but am i going nutz

adam out

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #71 on: May 26, 2004, 08:08:10 pm »
All I got to say is one thing:

 WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    

The end totally sucked! Not MORE TIME TRAVEL!  INFACT I cant remember what time it is now!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh  

nx_adam_1701

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #72 on: May 26, 2004, 08:09:35 pm »
Maybe the only way to fix the stupid time travel thingy they started is to go back in time lol
but really who the hell was the german alien???


adam out

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #73 on: May 26, 2004, 08:17:04 pm »
it was an excellent eppisode (andorians included) all the way up until the end.. and yeah, ENOUGH OF THE POS time travel plots. this WAS star trek, not TIME trek.

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #74 on: May 26, 2004, 08:38:01 pm »
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it was an excellent eppisode (andorians included) all the way up until the end.. and yeah, ENOUGH OF THE POS time travel plots. this WAS star trek, not TIME trek.  




Good episode, and a nice way to end their best season......... until the end!

Not only can Berman and Braga not be bothered to check with Star Trek history, but they can't even be bothered to check with earth history.  Was there ever any human nation *less* likely to allow a subhuman looking alien into their midst -- make him a ranking officer in the SS no less -- than was Nazi Germany?  Maybe Imperial Japan, they were quite happy to slaughter Chinese 'animals', but if the Nazis rank second behind the Imperial Japanese then it isn't by much.

But nooooooo...... The nazis are bad guys.  The aliens are bad guys.  They must team up!

Garbage.  Pure garbage.

-S'Cipio
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nx_adam_1701

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #75 on: May 26, 2004, 08:41:58 pm »
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it was an excellent eppisode (andorians included) all the way up until the end.. and yeah, ENOUGH OF THE POS time travel plots. this WAS star trek, not TIME trek.  




Good episode, and a nice way to end their best season......... until the end!

Not only can Berman and Braga not be bothered to check with Star Trek history, but they can't even be bothered to check with earth history.  Was there ever any human nation *less* likely to allow a subhuman looking alien into their midst -- make him a ranking officer in the SS no less -- than was Nazi Germany?  Maybe Imperial Japan, they were quite happy to slaughter Chinese 'animals', but if the Nazis rank second behind the Imperial Japanese then it isn't by much.

But nooooooo...... The nazis are bad guys.  The aliens are bad guys.  They must team up!

Garbage.  Pure garbage.

-S'Cipio  




lol

adam out

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #76 on: May 26, 2004, 09:03:44 pm »
I don't know... I liked the whole thing of this one... the ending was certainly unexpected, and I don't think we can really criticize it until we know more... it's called a cliffhanger.

nx_adam_1701

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #77 on: May 26, 2004, 09:07:03 pm »
true,

adam out

NannerSlug

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #78 on: May 26, 2004, 09:08:49 pm »
but the cliff hanger is ANOTHER time travel POS.

there were many other trek eppisodes that did not involve time travel.

and scippy, you are 100% correct.

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #79 on: May 26, 2004, 09:17:59 pm »
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there were many other trek eppisodes that did not involve time travel.





But not Enterprise, the closest you can get to *not* having a cliff hanger is The Expanse (or Broken Bow?).

FFZ

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #80 on: May 26, 2004, 09:35:00 pm »
 I found the entire episode anti-climatic.

The Xindi arrive, and only the Andorians are around to help?

Where are those useless Vulcans?

Then we get that the aquatics don't notice they just left Enterprise several centuries in the past!

Thanks for nothing, you water breathing goofs.

The P-51s at the end look like a flight simulator game, not the real deal, and we find a badly burned Archer mysteriously on Earth (how he got there from the weapon is anybody's guess) surounded by Nazis and aliens.

Who will save him, Indy? (rolleyes)

The end of the expanse was well done, as was finding out T'Pol is an old broad of 66.
 

nx_adam_1701

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #81 on: May 26, 2004, 09:38:35 pm »
Now thats funny, you brought up some good points, esp, about the Xindi not realizing they left them behind in the past, that totally excaped me, and the Vulcans not helping, it figures.

adam out

 

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #82 on: May 26, 2004, 09:38:54 pm »
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I don't know... I liked the whole thing of this one... the ending was certainly unexpected, and I don't think we can really criticize it until we know more... it's called a cliffhanger.  




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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #83 on: May 26, 2004, 10:21:49 pm »
all i know is the only honorable way out if for this latest time travel stint to be nothing more than a vulcans drug induced dream.  I mean how many times do they need to reuse the same plot. The evil (insert race here) has gone back in time to (wipe/change) the human race, and only we know about it.  They need to get away from the time travel ideas  they have done them to death.  With enterprise they have a perfect situation,  Treat it like a historical document,  tell the history we all want to know.  the plot is already there they just need to fill in the gaps.

NannerSlug

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #84 on: May 26, 2004, 10:49:42 pm »
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 Who will save him, Indy? (rolleyes)    




you never know when dr. jones might show up. yeah, thats it.. yeah.. short round will be there and all. lol.

somthing is really screwed up, that is for sure.. because you realize how seriously the time line is contaminated.. of course the understatment is that there is an alien standing next to two nazis (in a nazi camp). everyone is okay with it and they are wondering what sort of uniform archer is wearing.

shouldnt the question be.. who the frack is that alien d00d?

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #85 on: May 26, 2004, 11:00:41 pm »
You have to admit, it sure beats watching Jack Bauer cry his eyes out for five minutes.


Edit: Ironic how everyone was happy that it was getting renewed last week.  Now I bet you guys wished they cancelled it instead.

Double Edit: Check out the subtitle of Trek Nation's review: Patterns of force plague Archer as he tries desperately to save Earth's future.

Get it?  Hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha!
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« Reply #86 on: May 26, 2004, 11:07:43 pm »
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Edit: Ironic how everyone was happy that it was getting renewed last week.  Now I bet you guys wished they cancelled it instead.




Nah.  I just wished they had chopped the last three minutes off, launched Berman and Braga to the center of the sun, and then hired new writers for next season.

Shows usually repeat the last season's finale before starting the new season.  Hopefully a new Enterprise production team will edit out those last three minutes and then start the new season by forgetting the excised scenes ever appeared.  I'd happily go to my grave never finding out who that alien in the SS uniform was.  Can you hear Patrick Duffy warming up in the shower?

Who's got an address to send hate-mail to Berman and Braga?

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Rat_Boy

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #87 on: May 26, 2004, 11:12:34 pm »
To B&B's credit, nobody, and I mean nobody outside of Canada saw tonight's cliffhanger coming a mile away.  People were expecting the Romulans to show up and start blasting stuff into atoms, but instead we get a send-up to Planet of the Apes...the horendously bad version.

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #88 on: May 27, 2004, 12:21:30 am »
" Berman and Braga " aka not a clue  , can we please clone gene so he can come back and eject those two in to a deep hole .  

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #89 on: May 27, 2004, 01:14:15 am »
Good one lol, but the romulan idea would of been great, i was so excited thru out the entire episode, than time travel did it again lol, hilarious


adam out

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #90 on: May 27, 2004, 02:27:42 am »
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Double Edit: Check out the subtitle of Trek Nation's review: Patterns of force plague Archer as he tries desperately to save Earth's future.

Get it?  Hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha!




This review was so funny (and so dead-on accurate) I just had to copy part of it:

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Analysis: If there were any doubts about the worthiness of Enterprise to bear the name Star Trek, Rick Berman and Brannon Braga put them to rest with "Zero Hour", which lands the prequel firmly in classic Trek tradition. I don't mean because we get a glimpse of the founding of the Federation, a battle on a spherical weapon with more than a passing resemblance to a Borg sphere, a bunch of talk about timelines and the coming together of former enemies under the banner of peace. No, I'm talking about EVIL ALIEN NAZIS!
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You must forgive me for giggling when, after a near-perfect 50 minutes of television science fiction in which the Xindi arc was wrapped up stylishly in a very First Contact-like manner, the episode ends with the cheesiest of cliffhangers, throwing us back into "Patterns of Force" territory. What in hell are EVIL ALIEN NAZIS doing with U.S. warplanes? What year is it supposed to be on Earth? Did the Aquatics trick us? Was the entire Xindi arc a ruse to distract the crew from the real threat, in the form of the Suliban and time-tampering and a World War II which ended the wrong way? These questions won't be answered until the fall, by which time hopefully I will be able to address them with a straight face.
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I mean...this show has been so serious all season. End-of-the-world scenarios, grave moral choices, seeking hope for peace and exploration in a universe filled with distrust and fear, that sort of thing...darker than Deep Space Nine, which was too dark to be considered Star Trek by some fans. And where does it all end up? The captain makes the big sacrifice, the ship takes the great risk, the interdimensional aliens are vanquished, the lethal aliens become allies, the future Federation members come through in a pinch...and there are EVIL ALIEN NAZIS! I'm sorry, I can't help it; I'm not ready to stop giggling.
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Before this insane left hook of a cliffhanger, some nice things happen in "Zero Hour." T'Pol tells Trip her age - 66, same as the year the original series went on the air - and admits that it is an intimate act for a Vulcan to confess her age. Later she quotes Trip's concern for her to Phlox, saying that she guesses she's not so tough after all...and she pets poor Porthos, who is resting morosely in Sickbay, unaware, as the audience is, that of course Archer can't be dead because the show has been picked up for a fourth season. Malcolm has some nice moments doing he-man stuff aboard the Xindi weapon while his redshirts fall over railings into a bottomless pit ("No, Luke, I am your father!"), and Hoshi gets to have the tearful breakdown she was denied last week, predictably blaming herself for decrypting the Xindi launch codes and wishing she'd done a better job of killing herself.
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But suicide is Archer's job, as he earnestly informs Daniels and then Reed, refusing to allow his tactical officer to peform a task for which he's probably better qualified than the captain and certainly more expendable. That's fine - Janeway would have done the same, and did, in "The Killing Game", which also had EVIL ALIEN NAZIS...oops. I know that this does not sound like a very serious review. Maybe I'm just dizzy from all the cross-cutting, jumping from the weapon to Degra's ship to Enterprise to the sphere-builders' realm to the Reptilian ship to Shran's ship to the Sol system. Maybe I'm giddy to have seen Phlox on the bridge offering critical command advice, which was great, and then to have seen him back in Sickbay providing the comic relief as well in the form of dictating his will and placating his plants. Or maybe I'm in shock, so great is my relief and surprise that the Xindi weapon has not destroyed Earth.
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If the idea is to shake the show up, this cliffhanger is sheer brilliance. No one could have seen it coming in a million years, no matter which timeline you were in! And now we're going to have to have an arc in the fall explaining how the timeline got changed, whether it was related to the Xindi threat and the Guardians or completely incidental, whether this all ties back in with Silik and Future Guy or if maybe Captain Kirk saved Edith Keeler and Archer's going to have to find the Guardian of Forever and go back in time and phaser them both before her peace movement lets Hitler take over the world...fine, I guess someone's going to have to phaser me before I manage to get serious. EVIL ALIEN NAZIS!
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I shall write an essay wrapping up Enterprise's deeply enjoyable third season in a few days, after I have time to assimilate it all. For now, however, I just want to address Jonathan Archer with a quote by Agent Scully from "Triangle", the X-Files with the evil time-traveling Nazis and the submarine and all the kissing: "Now I want you to close your eyes, and I want you to keep saying, 'There's no place like home.'"



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CFA_Admiral_Tige

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #91 on: May 27, 2004, 06:47:02 am »
They've been away for more then 6 months since the beginning of the xindi timeline...where was NX-02???

 
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 What in hell are EVIL ALIEN NAZIS doing with U.S. warplanes?


Those looked like stars on those wings to me....and they're flying over san fran...bets are those were american pilots in those planes.


Could this be Daniels doing?? He took Archer back through time to save him since he couldnt be beamed off, and then he brought  Enterprise back as well?  That would ALSO mean the aquatic ship is 'minorly' displaced in time....



In my opinion they found an interesting way to solve the Trek Timeline problem...take the ship out of the timeline!
 

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« Reply #92 on: May 27, 2004, 10:18:51 am »
I had a thought before I went to bed.  Anybody got a pic of when the shuttle approaches San Francisco?  Might be helpful in determining whether or not they've time traveled, in an alternate universe, or at a duplicate Earth, TOS-style.

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« Reply #93 on: May 27, 2004, 11:03:35 am »
DM's Observations:

1) So we learn T'Pol is 66? You know they wanted to say 69. You just KNOW they did.....

2) "Fast Forward" on my remote not working!
I kept pushing it, but nothing happened! You knew what had to happen: Spheres and weapon must go BOOM....just get to it... Yawn.
Trip pulls it off at the very last possible second? Well slap me upside the head with a smelly trout! Who'da thunk that would happen?
Instead of intently watching the show and being drawn into the story, I found myself feeling my pulse and counting heartbeats of lifetime lost watching this...

3) Tomatoes!
Ever see old Bugs Bunny cartoons? Daffy Duck gets pelted onstage with vegetables due to his pure-suckage?
I watched the ending.... and was momentarily stunned. Like a deer caught in headlights.....
Tomatoes!?! Where the hell are my tomatoes?  

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« Reply #94 on: May 27, 2004, 11:50:11 am »
I bet the aquatics are going to be pissed when they get back home and find nothing but tadpoles.

Age

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« Reply #95 on: May 27, 2004, 01:40:32 pm »
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Edit: Ironic how everyone was happy that it was getting renewed last week.  Now I bet you guys wished they cancelled it instead.




Nah.  I just wished they had chopped the last three minutes off, launched Berman and Braga to the center of the sun, and then hired new writers for next season.

Shows usually repeat the last season's finale before starting the new season.  Hopefully a new Enterprise production team will edit out those last three minutes and then start the new season by forgetting the excised scenes ever appeared.  I'd happily go to my grave never finding out who that alien in the SS uniform was.  Can you hear Patrick Duffy warming up in the shower?

Who's got an address to send hate-mail to Berman and Braga?

-S'Cipio the hatemonger  


I will agree with you Scipio lets hope it is one big dream.I will say this though they had to do it couldn't they just on planned than Archer got back on board Daegras ship so this wouldn't of happened and a nother thing is not AGIAN.I hope they write this season off as one big dream that Archer is haveing just like Pamala Ewing do when she saw Bobby stepping out of the shower.I hope Archer steps out of it aswell.If any of you live in the LA basin please phone Paramount and tell them this and tell them to read these boards.That includes you to Ann.

 There is one thing good it was nice to see the Andorians to show up and see how thet fight with thier ships and they have been in space longer and they don't have all that great weaponery.I hope DH enjoyed seeing them in combat.
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Daew Anahos

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #96 on: May 27, 2004, 01:41:16 pm »
Okay, I know I'm going to get flamed for this but...I liked the alternate timeline ending.

Why not? They've trashed the universe as we know it so why not bring in a Sliders type arc?

Patterns Of Force was one of my favorite TOS episodes.

It looks like WWII never got finished. There was an old movie, "The Shape Of Things To Come" where WWII lasted much longer then known history by several decades.

Technically it's not a "time travel" ending per se, it's a timeline/different dimension ending.

Honestly, I'm interested to see how they restore the timeline or maybe the timeline gets changed to what's "known" and established.

Maybe it's the, well hell, the fans are ticked off enough so let's go for broke mentality

(When do Doc And Marty pop in with the Deloran???)

BTW, nice seeing Jeffery Coombs in the episode. He was good as Weyoun/Brunt in DS9.

/dons flame proof suit and ducks  

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« Reply #97 on: May 27, 2004, 02:38:30 pm »
I gotta say that ending was the last thing I expected to see Although I think it's kinda stupid ( ), I also want to find out why Enterprise has been transported back to WWII, what an alien is doin' dressed up as a Nazi in the 1940's, and why all the other Germans seem to be OK with that

After seein' that shuttlepod fly through a swarm o' P-51's, I think we now know where those WWII "foo fighter" sightings came from  
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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #98 on: May 27, 2004, 03:24:09 pm »
 That is a very cool signature, but could you make it a little smaller LeRoy?

When you big sig dudes post, the entire thread distorts, and I have to scroll left and right to read a sigle sentance.

Please have pity on us less technicallt able, who have to view with normal monitors.
 
 

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« Reply #99 on: May 27, 2004, 03:50:51 pm »
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 ENOUGH OF THE POS time travel plots. this WAS star trek, not TIME trek.  




   

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« Reply #100 on: May 27, 2004, 03:57:16 pm »
  What that episode reminded me of in the TOS episode where the Enterprise is in the sixties and a Starfighter is inteceptor is intercepting the Enterprise.The pilot of the fighter is beamed on board the 1701 and his mind is whiped clean to forget what he saw and was beam back aboard his fighter jet.

  I hope T'Pol is a good as Spock to figure out the calculations to warp around the sun.This is so they can  get back to thier own time as badly beat up as that ship is I wonder if they can do it.I wonder if that ship can handle it it took a lot out of 1701.  

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« Reply #101 on: May 27, 2004, 04:37:14 pm »
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 That is a very cool signature, but could you make it a little smaller LeRoy?

When you big sig dudes post, the entire thread distorts, and I have to scroll left and right to read a sigle sentance.

Please have pity on us less technicallt able, who have to view with normal monitors.
 
 




I'm runnin' a 15 inch monitor at 800 x 600 res so I know what yer talkin' about. I'll git right on fixin' it.  

SSCF_LeRoy

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« Reply #102 on: May 27, 2004, 04:52:24 pm »
How is it now?  

Rat_Boy

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #103 on: May 27, 2004, 06:11:37 pm »
Ah, this post at the Trek BBS has what I'm seeking.

While there aren't any obvious landmarks on the right to help make a determination, there is one thing that definately means that it's in the past: no skyscrappers.  Plus, the northern side of the Golden Gate (seen on the left) is fairly undeveloped.  The East Bay also looks kind of sparse.

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #104 on: May 27, 2004, 06:16:40 pm »
I thought the pacing of the finale sucked.  The previous episode was much more compelling and better shot.  The final Nazi moment. Let's just say Castle Wolfenstein meets that TOS Nazi episode.  I think that will be a one-off storyline.  I mean, you can't have a 22nd century starship interfering in WWII , can you, aka The Final Countdown????  That would be silly.

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« Reply #105 on: May 27, 2004, 08:36:51 pm »
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How is it now?  


Outstanding!

May the great bird of the galaxy smile upon you!
 

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Re: Well the finale was ok
« Reply #106 on: May 27, 2004, 08:49:46 pm »
Quote:

Okay, I know I'm going to get flamed for this but...I liked the alternate timeline ending.

Why not? They've trashed the universe as we know it so why not bring in a Sliders type arc?

Patterns Of Force was one of my favorite TOS episodes.

It looks like WWII never got finished. There was an old movie, "The Shape Of Things To Come" where WWII lasted much longer then known history by several decades.

Technically it's not a "time travel" ending per se, it's a timeline/different dimension ending.

Honestly, I'm interested to see how they restore the timeline or maybe the timeline gets changed to what's "known" and established.

Maybe it's the, well hell, the fans are ticked off enough so let's go for broke mentality

(When do Doc And Marty pop in with the Deloran???)

BTW, nice seeing Jeffery Coombs in the episode. He was good as Weyoun/Brunt in DS9.


/dons flame proof suit and ducks    





I have to say I agree with this line of thinking, and it seems they are in the 1940s due to San Francisco not being developed like it would be today. We all knew Captain Archer couldn't die - that's the same as killing Kirk. Recall that it was about the third season when TNG got its stride, same for DS9. Voyager - well - you decide. Archer indeed was saved by the time traveling Enterprise J Captain. I see no other explanation, as Archer will be pivotal in the Birth of the Federation.
 Perhaps the destruction of the Alien Spheres skewed the timeline and altered the present - or threw them all back to the 40s. The German Alien may somehow be a desendent of the Reptilians, and perhaps at least one Reptilian got to Earth before the weapon exploded. That would support a skewed timeline. The Reptilian mated with an Earth female, producing a hybrid..  

All Speculation, of course. This makes me want to play Enemy Territory on my brother's server..  

I am looking forward to the the next season.
 
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« Reply #107 on: May 27, 2004, 11:05:10 pm »
 The flaw is the prestine US P-51 Mustangs, if history changed, why are they are still using pistion propellar internal combustion engines in the 2160s?

There areno  more effective aircraft then a 220 year old plane??!
 
 

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« Reply #108 on: May 27, 2004, 11:38:45 pm »
Reminds me of Quantum Leap, the witers really leaped their ass's into it now

adam out

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« Reply #109 on: May 27, 2004, 11:53:34 pm »
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Reminds me of Quantum Leap, the witers really leaped their ass's into it now

adam out  




Oh Boy.  

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« Reply #110 on: May 28, 2004, 12:07:55 am »
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Oh Boy.  

Stephen  





If the writers don't have Archer do that next season when he wakes up to see the Nazis, then they'll never do it ever.

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #111 on: May 28, 2004, 02:10:10 pm »
EVIL ALIEN NAZIS!  

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« Reply #112 on: May 28, 2004, 03:04:47 pm »
http://www.reallifecomics.com/

Check out today's strip...    

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« Reply #113 on: May 28, 2004, 10:33:23 pm »
  I loved it, it was exactly what happen, think the author is a Betazoid?


adam out

Age

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« Reply #114 on: May 29, 2004, 02:18:25 am »
   Cute very Cute  

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #115 on: May 29, 2004, 10:35:47 am »
I would like to suggest that we should not judge a book by it's cover. This could be one of the worst episodes or it could be cool. I lean towards bad, but I am willing to see the season opener before I judge it.

Continuity has never been B&B's strong suit, but killing Nazi's is always fun.

If it is 1944, I wonder how the Enterprise will impact the outcome. I would;

1. Use the Enterpise to bombard the Normandy Beaches (we know where everything is, heh)
2. Destroy all of their oil refineries and synthetic oil facilities.
3. Capture all of the Nazi leadership and put them on trial.
4. Liberate the death camps

In the Pacific
1. Sink the combined fleet
2. Destroy their merchant marine
3. Destroy all aircraft and engine production facilities
4. Save the USS Indianapolis!    

Vaul

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #116 on: June 04, 2004, 06:42:14 pm »
Well, it airs on Monday here in the UK, so I'll get the full, erm...."experience" then.

I admit it though, I really thought this was going to be the last season - the penultimate episode had the hallmarks (They wrote out a minor character a la Neelix, Ro, the-brat-that-shall-not-be-named-but-has-the-initials-W.C.) and they left themselves a plot situation that could ONLY be solved by time travel (All Good Things). B&B do seem a little too fond of time travel though.

On a completely unrelated note, why do the bad guys always try mucking with history? The very act of interfering guarantees that the events you're trying to prevent will happen (since those events must occur for you to be interfering in the first place). You'd think that at least one uber villian would have worked this out by now...  


Going conpletely offtopic of course, I'm surprised this account's still active, given when I last fired it up. My god....

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« Reply #117 on: June 04, 2004, 08:15:06 pm »
Well, I saw the finale too and I must admit the last 2 minutes where really.... well.... unexpected.    I had told people for a long time that Enterprise was most likely a different Timeline and that is the reason why things are so different then the Star Trek Timeline.  But this finale episode just makes me scratch my head.  I mean, the alternate timeline where the Xindi exist and their is no Romulan War and how things are quite different then in the Star Trek Timeline really puts up the potential of other new series (like a 23rd Century show after Enterprise or something).  It could even possibly see a Kirk Episode in the 23rd Century only in this timeline.

But instead, we get a whole different twist with this Alien Nazi stuff.  I don't even know if this is suppose too be the 22nd century or 20th.  Man, I really miss the Star Trek Time line in the 24th century.  

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« Reply #118 on: June 06, 2004, 04:46:48 pm »
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 I don't even know if this is suppose too be the 22nd century or 20th. :  




Agree, IIRC  they say "It looks pretty normal to me" when they went to earth in the shuttle. But the landscape should be very different between 20th and 22nd century. And yet they have airplanes........    
I think it is an alternate universe.

Mariano  

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« Reply #119 on: June 07, 2004, 12:04:27 am »
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 I don't even know if this is suppose too be the 22nd century or 20th. :  




Agree, IIRC  they say "It looks pretty normal to me" when they went to earth in the shuttle. But the landscape should be very different between 20th and 22nd century. And yet they have airplanes........    
I think it is an alternate universe.

Mariano  




I think it's an alternate timeline...not time travel. Something is seriously wrong in 22nd century San Francisco.

After all,you'd think they would have noticed immediately if it was San Francisco in the 20th century. Instead,it looked "normal" to them.

So who screwed with the time-line THIS time???*LOL*

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #120 on: June 07, 2004, 01:33:43 pm »

Has anyone identified the Alien Nazi (by race)

Someone on a movie forum did, and I checked - he was correct.

If you identify the Alien race, then imho you know who manipulated the Time Line (this time) and why.

I won't give it away (my opinion) here unless people really want me to.





 

Vaul

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« Reply #121 on: June 07, 2004, 03:37:05 pm »
Finale just aired in the UK on Sky 1 and....well....

The WW2 birds were P51 Mustangs, which plonks the date as '42-'55 (very approximately, unless B&B are playing fast and loose with history again).

As for our mystery alien, I've got it narrowed down to two possibles (well, one probable and a possible). Shan't speculate any further though for the moment.

As for the collective cabbagehead moment when they get to Earth, can't raise the folks back home and don't apparently think to scan the planet, which would have shown up the absence of SFHQ, the orbital stations and probably the Lunar colony in an instant, well....

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #122 on: June 10, 2004, 03:23:41 am »
Of course not.  Why should it occur to them to check to make sure none of the satellites and outposts have been damaged or destroyed after a terrible attack that nearly destroyed the planet?  After all, this is B&B's Starfleet we're talking about, not Rodenberry's.

And something else that bothered me that no-one has yet mentioned.  Where were Earth's defense ships?  When the Klingons chased the Enterprise back to Earth, several ships showed up to run the attackers off.  If I recall correctly, they weren't at that time expecting an attack, so those ships must have just been patrolling or guarding the system.  Yet when the Xindi attack comes after a year's warning, there is nothing.  No defending ships at all.  Not even one little freighter.  They weren't in a new timeline yet, because the Reptilians saw a nice outpost to destroy.  So where was Earth's defense fleet?  

You know, it's getting harder and harder to give B&B the benefit of the doubt.  Serious fans have been complaining for years about time travel in Star Trek.  Critics have been complaining about the time travel.  Even general sci-fi fans don't like the time travel.  So what exactly are B&B thinking?  "Hm, the entire fanbase and all the critics are telling us to stop doing time travel, no-one seems to like it at all, so everyone in the whole world must be wrong and we should do the exact opposite of what they say!"  It is really getting difficult to believe that they aren't deliberately trying to ruin Star Trek.  Maybe Berman is so bored with it that he wants it to die.  After all, he wasn't a great fan to begin with.  He was just a producer at Paramount who was assigned to the project back when Rodenberry was trying to create TNG.
 

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« Reply #123 on: June 10, 2004, 06:52:46 am »
B&B seem to love to repeat themselves...do it once, do it again...so it was obvious to me that the "time travel vortex" thing would be used again.  

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end, POSSIBLE Outcome?
« Reply #124 on: June 10, 2004, 10:04:27 am »
  HI all new here this si my first post, plese take it tongue in cheek!  

  "We are B&B, surrender your genre and prepare for total suckiness! Resistance is Futile, Fans are Futile, ratings are Futile. Our primary goal is to make the audience groan in agony and then roll their eyes and say 'well it couldn't get any WORSE!' but lo and behold they WILL watch the next episode just to see and then we will asualt them relentlessly with overused plots and outright stolen skits that barely worked the first time! Oh yeah, all your base belong to us!" (that part I couldn't resist)

  ok nonsence over  

  Seriously, I can only think of ONE way to unscrew this pooch called Enterprise. Season 4 begins as we now see the beginnings of The TERRAN EMPIRE! Yes boys and girls you are now in the MIrror Universe! Alien Nazi? Sure no sweat he will tell Hitler that the Allies will develope the A-bomb BUT with HIS "help" he will make the 3rd Rich(sp?) Invincible! Blah Blah Blah, Archer convinces the Nazi's the Alien is WORSE than they are, they turn on him, some sort of deal is made, Archer and Company try to make the world a better place and get smakced down HARD. Their place in history ends... LONG LIVE THE TERRAN EMPIRE! As Humanity takes it's place amoung the stars and as it's rightful FUTURE rulers! (taking the NX to their version of Vulcan to assimilate them and other races in the ships starchart memory banks!!! WOHOO continuity is restored (from a TE POV!)

  meanwhile back in the NORMAL universe things are rearrainged and now the history that all us fans know and love is restored as Q or The Preservers or other entities convieniently erase all knowledge of the Xindi and the attack or other disturbing events . Or time itself fixes it WHO CARES! Point is things go back to RELATIVE normal! Now for the next ST show featuring decendants fo the Ent-E crew or even some older memembers like Admiral Riker or Crewman B4 (Data). Maybe the Ent -G???  (rewwrite of all good things matbe? To transition Ent-e to Ent-G?)

  OR The new show can be the Terran Empire itself! Muhaah I would LOVE to see an EVIL Christopher PIKE! (He discovers the galactic barrier and gets psi powers becoming the first section 31 FURY! as he is experimented upon and altered DNA used to make twisted minions of this dark federation's heartless puppeteers. Oh dark Joy!

Thoughts?
 

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #125 on: June 10, 2004, 10:18:56 am »
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Has anyone identified the Alien Nazi (by race)

Someone on a movie forum did, and I checked - he was correct.

If you identify the Alien race, then imho you know who manipulated the Time Line (this time) and why.

I won't give it away (my opinion) here unless people really want me to.
   




Dunno..  I'll bite.
Who are they?


   

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end, POSSIBLE Outcome?
« Reply #126 on: June 10, 2004, 02:12:50 pm »
I really enjoy the 3rd season story. (and I haven't seen all the apisodes)
Think about this way, the Xindi plot ended when the super weapon was destroyed, and that was the end of the 3rd season. The nazi thing it's just the begining of the 4th season. And we know that there willt be a few story arcs. Who knows what will happen.!!!

Mariano
 

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #127 on: June 10, 2004, 05:31:09 pm »
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if those P-51's manage to score a "Lucky hit" and take the shuttlepod down.  Fortunatly T'Pol isn't on board.  Daneils will obviously be making an appearance in Season 4 Ep 1.

As for the missing fleet, I was very surprised not to find an armada of Earth Ships waiting for the Xindi, led by the NX-02 Columbia.  Even if she's missing a large part of her innards, you would think that they would have slapped the engines, weapons, and plating onto her and called her good to go.

Its a real shame that the execs at Paramount are either unable to do something about them or unwilling.  The show can be salvaged and it can get better ratings, but with those two at the helm, Season Four will be the last of Enterprise.  

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« Reply #128 on: June 10, 2004, 08:31:56 pm »
I agree 100%, when the borg first attacked earth, the federation used every ship they could, even outdated constitutions, and here nothing, but a stupid midas array, lol, your rite the shows gone nuts, and the people behind the scenes too, but i will watch the next new episode lol


adam out

NannerSlug

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #129 on: June 10, 2004, 09:16:44 pm »
im waiting for your theory lono!

Sirgod

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #130 on: June 10, 2004, 09:36:22 pm »
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im waiting for your theory lono!  




Ditto

Stephen

Age

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #131 on: June 11, 2004, 02:11:34 am »
Quote:

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Has anyone identified the Alien Nazi (by race)

Someone on a movie forum did, and I checked - he was correct.

If you identify the Alien race, then imho you know who manipulated the Time Line (this time) and why.

I won't give it away (my opinion) here unless people really want me to.
   




Dunno..  I'll bite.
Who are they?


   


They look a lttle like the Remans of the Planet Reman next to  Romulas.i wonder if that is what lono in referring to.I would like to know come on out with it.  

Lono

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #132 on: June 11, 2004, 06:29:04 pm »

Well since I don't think anyone has said it here's my take (which I think is correct)

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The Nazi General is a Remun!

Check out the Remuns from the last Trek movie and I believe it leaves little doubt.

Now, I say the dude from the future who's been messin' with teh Enterprise since the beginning is indeed a Romulan as many suspected.

When the Gecko dude's (ferget their name rightr now) informed the Enterprise of the Xindi Threat the Romulan from the future was quite in a good position.

Firstly he has the alt universe future punks gettin eliminated early (which had originally required Star Fleet to defeat)

and now he has used the "distraction" to alter Earth's timeline using WW II as the best point to seize control of the planet.

I believe we will see a Romulan furher (who may cover his ears), and who employs these Remnun Generals due to their fierce fighting ability.

Now - why the earth is still using WW II tech is anybody's guess.

Maybe the Romulan's have purposely slowed the technilogical progression by force, or Enterprise has indeed also gone back in time for some reason.

Also I think Archer's survival is believable if we are to believe that Borg survived the Sphere's fall to Earth (as well as being completely frozen for years)

Anyways - thats how I interpret these events - what do y'all think on this?

 

Age

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #133 on: June 11, 2004, 08:18:06 pm »
  I was right thet are Remans I knew those Romulans were no good.They say it themselves they are an arrogant bunch.That is make take on it.  

CFA_Admiral_Tige

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #134 on: June 12, 2004, 03:27:21 pm »
wouldnt the pilots see the english on the hull of it and stop?

Age

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Re: Well the finale was ok till the end
« Reply #135 on: June 12, 2004, 03:31:11 pm »
   I guess Remans can't read English.That is my take on it .