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[Cptn_Pestalence_XC]

Well the Movie version is showing it's head.. here is the screen shot of the Enterprise under construction



looks a lot like Gabe's ship but until we get a full view of her, it may just be and enhanced version of the TOS ship before it's painted the thermal coat Grey.

Here is Gabe's ship from the front.



So what do you guys think so far?

Possible match?

To me the ship from the Teaser Trailer looks more like the CGI Enhanced version of TOS than it does Gabe's ship.. I don't think they changed the shipthat much just maybe added some details.. I believe they stuck mostly Canon concerning the ship. It does have a lot of Gabe's CGI Enterprise influenced on it.

Here is the TOS CGI Enhanced, you can see a lot of Differences (Enterprise from "Who Mourns for Adonais?" remastered)






and here it is from "Dagger of the Mind" remastered.

[Chris Jones]

OK the Joke's over - where's the Real Enterprise?

This XI thing has the wrong font for starters. That alone trashes it for me. JJ, I hear, wants people to refer to this move as 'Star Trek 0' so new fans don't feel like they have to catch up = yea JJ, just forget about the past. Re-boot this! I'll not hijack the thread here with a Star Trek 11 rant - but suffice it to say that I plan to get 'Lost' on the way to the theatre when this gets released.

This Enterprise would be useful for a twisted Mirror Universe story of some type where things go radically different, not for a Trek re-boot. JJ needs a boot.

anyway.. carry on.

[Hexx]

???

Even if they do do a reboot ala BSG- which they're I guess attempting, do you seriously think they'll keep the same font?
They'll be trying to gain NEW viewers, to have new kids look at the Enterprise and say 'It's a cool looking ship"
Anything (including the fonts) that looks like the "old" version (nostalgic as I am) looks really,really, dated.

[I, Mudd.]

Hey Chris ...

For some one who totes the expression, 'the game does not have to remain the same', I'd have thought you'd be more open to such a treatment. You're fussing over a canon font??? To each their own, I guess.

'Star Trek does not have to remain the same'

hm ... seems to fit to me ... IDIC, and all ... lol. Just sayin'.



 

JM.

[Lepton]

Watch this.  If it doesn't get your blood going, then you are Trek old-man stogy fogey.

http://www.gabekoerner.com/ent/trekreel002.mov

Clearly, Gabe either knew the design and was riffing off it, or he was asked to do the original concept work and someone took it from there.  There is an extra level on the Star Trek XI ship below the bridge area, but we are essentially looking at the same conceptual framework with some tweeks.  I think it is great.  If you look as Gabe's stuff, it is really cool.  It's like a 50's/60's muscle car Enterprise.

[Fedman NCC-3758]

That top image has me psyched.   It's a movie.  To make money.  What did we expect?

This is not life.  It's Star Trek.   I'll now be looking forward to further teasers.

Wonder what they have in store for Klingon and Romulan vessels.  ::rubs hands together::

[Chris Jones]

???

Even if they do do a reboot ala BSG- which they're I guess attempting, do you seriously think they'll keep the same font?
They'll be trying to gain NEW viewers, to have new kids look at the Enterprise and say 'It's a cool looking ship"
Anything (including the fonts) that looks like the "old" version (nostalgic as I am) looks really,really, dated.

Not if they do it right. It would attract new and please the huge older Trek fan base. It can be done. JJ does not care. I'm sure. Too bad it's all about the money.

[Fedman NCC-3758]

Thanks for that link Lep.

That was awesome.

[Chris Jones]

Hey Chris ...

For some one who totes the expression, 'the game does not have to remain the same', I'd have thought you'd be more open to such a treatment. You're fussing over a canon font??? To each their own, I guess.

'Star Trek does not have to remain the same'

hm ... seems to fit to me ... IDIC, and all ... lol. Just sayin'.



 

JM.

lol - It's a pet peeve. Example. I based the quality of the original Legacy game on how the TOS Connie looked. It was badly done.

[Lepton]

Just to respond to Chris' comments on the Argus Array re the design of this Enterprise about the font.  Check this:



The font used on the new ship is just the same font that has been on every trek ship since TMP sans the red line and a white border.

[Chris Jones]

Understood - but this is not TMP.

[atheorhaven]

Understood - but this is not TMP.

Agreed.. this new font appears to be something like Eurostyle rather than Amarillo.

And we're seeing a lot of TMP influence here.. aztecing and the TMP style lighting bridge elements.  With the amount of vapor around in the shot, it also looks like they're building in atmosphere.  Which they could theoretically do if they enclosed the drydock with a forcefield and atmosphere, but why go through that much trouble?

I am seeing more new BSG-influence here than I'd like as well.. so while I understand that they're trying to bring in new viewers, I'm along with Chris on this one and am now more expecting to see scenes of the young edgier Kirk having his butt in the air having nookie on a desk in Starfleet Academy.  Don't care for "edgy" interferring in a good story, and if they start going the whole "shakycam" route as well (which is why I can't and won't watch the BSG reboot), I'd probably walk out of the theater.

The thing about the series that they shouldn't forget is that TOS was about a new beginning and humanity taking baby steps into space.  "Seeking out new worlds and new civilizations" is there for a reason, not "Travel the universe, meet new people, kill them all and let God sort them out".  :p

The font is one thing, design elements are another, and wild deviations like building in atmosphere as opposed to vacuum is quite another again.  Just am hopeful that they don't go too far off the mark..

[Age]

Chris is a TNGer all the way but I would rather here more from Pest. on this.

[Cptn_Pestalence_XC]

Personally, I don't think a ship redesign is necessary for the movie.. they should take the TOS studio model and fix it up a bit, add more hull details deck plating and such, remove the thermal coat grey and have bare skin (then give a reason for the thermal coat grey for the TOS series later in the movie)..

The ship should stay as TOS canon as possible, with maybe Older engines that TOS episode.. You have to remember there were 2 Captains of the Enterprise before Kirk... I know that the movie is going to have Christopher Pike, however they are mot mentioning the Enterprise's first captain.. Robert April.

Robert April had the Enterprise for 3 to 5 years before Pike.. Pike had her for another 5 years.. Kirk was assigned to the Ferragot during his early career after the Academy.. Then he got Command of the Enterprise after Pike got seriously injured near the end of the 5th year.. TOS takes place a few months into Kirks First year on the Enterprise..

So.. I would like them to show continuity to this respect as well as a down graded version of the TOS Enterprise to correctly fit the timeline..

Then all will be well in the Trek universe.

[Panzergranate]

Will they be havong the uniforms and side arms from the "Where No Man Has Gone Before" episode or later.

In the second TOS pilot, with Kirk as Captain, Spock isn't first officer.... Commander Gary Mitchel is. Spock succeeds Comander Gary Mitchel on his death. Spock is still a Lt. Commander well into the TOS series before being promoted, though is still first officer.

Also Pike's helmsman Lt. Kelso is part of Kirk's crew but is later killed by Mitchel at the Delta Vega Lithium Cracking Facility.

So when is the movie supposed to be set?? After or before Mitchel's death??

If it is before then Spock would be second officer.

It is another opportunity for the writers to screw up continubity once again starting with TOS eoisode numero uno!!

 

[CC22]

It looks a beauty - has the lights around the bridge module like the TMP, infact the superstructure looks like a stretched out verstion of TMP, plus the pearlescant pannels and the fonts - ticks all my boxes thats for sure. Some of you guys cannot seriously believe that they'd stick up the original TOS ship for a movie they want to do well in cinema. Don't get so hung up on it - you say you are fans but you kick the franchise all the time even when its down, and moan like hell when they try and relaunch it. Its make believe after all eh.

[Vipre]

Being a fan doesn't mean you have to eat whatever slop they hand out, smile, say thanks pal, and ask for seconds.

I'm excited to see what they've done, I may or may not like it, but I'll wait until I've seen it to decide. Now on to the ship.


Look at the size of the nacelles as compared to the size of the bridge structure. Either the nacelles a half as far from the bridge or they're twice as big as the originals. I'm interested to see which it is.

[Panzergranate]

We're talking about that ship form the Calender and art work book from a few years ago, right??

I'm just saying as I already have these picture in a book I had for my birthday last year. This isn't actually the ship that they're going to use.... damn let the cat oit of the bag...... sorry for ruining the wind up there!!

[Cptn_Pestalence_XC]

You have to remember, in TOS the engine Nacell pylons are vertical, where TMP Enterprise the Pylons are swept back.. this was part of the refit to relieve stress from the secondary hull.. so yes, the TOS Enterprise, the nacells are closer to the bridge than the TMP Enterprise.. you are comparing TMP to TOS in your above pictures.

[Lepton]

Understood - but this is not TMP.

TOS is the continuity break in the procession from ENT to TMP to TNG and onward.  All the ships depicted in those movies and series share consistent design elements that the original TOS Connie does not possess.  While I love TOS, grew up with it all my life, whether watching it the original reruns, late night on Public Television stations (anyone remember when local PBS stations used to have Star Trek on them??), on the Sci-Fi Trek Marathons, or Star Trek Enhanced/Remastered, it was a single show that ran for all of three seasons while there is over a quarter-century of Trek that came after it such that it far outweighs those three years no matter how good they may have been.  I have no problem with Star Trek 0 recontextualizing or even reimagining some things if for no other reason than to bring things into alignment with the other 25 years + of Trek.

You know, I was not aware enough at the time to know, but I am sure that many a Star Trek fan poo-poo'ed the Ent-D because it looked so different from the original connie and I still think the Ent-D looks like some Cracker Jack box space toy with its red and blue kiddie glowies (Look, Mom, it's glowy).  I further think that the Ent-E was the worst in abominations of Enterprise turned into some silly racing car.  It was the worst example of copying in letter but not in spirit the refit of NCC-1701 that appears in TMP.  The Connie refit is elegant, futuristic, and mature, whereas the Ent-D looks as if it were squeezed out of the slit-like sphincter of some alien that eats phosphorescent algae.  Please don't talk to me about canon.  That's long gone by the wayside.

[Vipre]

You have to remember, in TOS the engine Nacell pylons are vertical, where TMP Enterprise the Pylons are swept back.. this was part of the refit to relieve stress from the secondary hull.. so yes, the TOS Enterprise, the nacells are closer to the bridge than the TMP Enterprise.. you are comparing TMP to TOS in your above pictures.

I picked that picture only because the angles are about the same and they are closer in design style, however you are not correct. The pylons may have been swept back but the nacelle position remained virtually the same. The connection to the nacelle was moved back and the one to the hull forward so that would be possible. As a result their appearence of size in relation to their bridge structures is almost identical.

I will say that I believe they used a somewhat fisheyed lens in that tmp shot that make the nacelles look smaller than they should be.
The reason the nacelles in the trailer pic look so large is probably an optical illusion similar to the one which makes the tmp nacelles look smaller than they should be. I stand by the post. If it's not an optical illusion then either the nacelles are half as far from the bridge or they're twice as big as the originals.

[Chris Jones]

We take TOS to be the original Star Trek  = and if JJ wants to reboot the franchise, keep old fans and attract new ones, he should damn well at least keep close to the original 60s design, and font. Lepton you present a good argument, and yes I am a TNGer all the way, but this ship, as a Kirk ship set in the TOS era, should look like TOS and not some bastardized version of it. Again - this would keep old Trek fans AND attract new ones. Star Trek: Enhanced is a perfect example of this. My son had not seen any TOS until Enhanced. After seeing this ship, he says he'll wait for the DVD. This is not Trek to him.

 Just make it a blockbuster TNG movie and forget all this anyway.   ***ducks***

[Rod ONeal]

OK, now that everyone's got the new enterprise out of their systems... let's talk about the real travesty in this movie. Winona Ryder as Spock's mother? She's only 36.  

[Cptn_Pestalence_XC]

You have to remember, the movie is suppose to be set when Kirk and Spock are still in Starfleet Academy... Her age is about appropriate.

[Vipre]

Jane Wyatt will always be Amanda Grayson to me. Just as nobody could ever replace Mark Lenard as Sarek.



She made such an impact and with only one appearance to do it.

[Beeblebrox]

There are some additional shots of the new Enterprise along with a glimpse of the interior.  This site also gives up a link to a nifty feature on the official movie site.

http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/21/star-trek-teaser-trailer-online-now/

[Rod ONeal]

This looks like Gabe's nacelle from the rear to me. If it is, I'm really surprised that they're deviating so far from the original Enterprise.

[Rod ONeal]

You have to remember, the movie is suppose to be set when Kirk and Spock are still in Starfleet Academy... Her age is about appropriate.

I think it would make them more in high school, at the most, rather than SFA.

[TheStressPuppy]

You guys never cease to amaze me. Do you honestly think after 40+ years a movie set in the TOS era would use the Enterprise from the TV show? The reason the original enterprise wasnt used in TMP was because the model was just too old, clumsy, and lacked the detailing needed for a full blown big screen movie. This new ship is still clearly Matt Jefferies design. With some nice subtle alterations. I grew up watching Kirk, and company trundle through the galaxy, hookng up with green, and blue females, dodging gotho's, giant hands, blobs amoebas, Styrofoam boulders, etc. etc. We all loved it despite the cheese factor. You guys knew how much of a nut i was about modeling the TOS big-E. However looking at this "new" TOS big-E i must say.. i LIKE it! I think JJ Abrams has the right idea. Instead of modifying the old 1960's TOS model to bring it up to speed for todays standard, He "downgraded" the TMP enterprise to TOS specs, and retained the best parts of the TMP ship. Including the hull font. This is a nice blend of the old, and the new, It also make the "new" TOS connie consistent tech wise with all the other series. JJ said he would stay true to trek lore. He said absolutely nothing about not changing the appearance of the technology.

Chris you of all people i would have least expected to mock this ship.

I think most of the TOS purist wont be happy no matter what. Damned if you do, and damned if you dont.

To be honest if this Trek is a reboot ala Galactica it may be a good thing. Look at how many old timers protested the new galactica.. Turns out many old school fans. Myself included LIKE the new show. The same could be true with the "new" Trek. We just have to keep an open mind. IDIC.

Now if the Story, Acting, and Plot of the movie sucks. All of this great new artwork will be a waste.

[Beeblebrox]

This looks like Gabe's nacelle from the rear to me. If it is, I'm really surprised that they're deviating so far from the original Enterprise.

See, I would have said that this view was meant to be along the spine of the secondary hull looking out over the fantail.  The "wings" are most likely the hull extensions for taking the nacelle pylons.