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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2008, 07:14:28 pm »
Yeah yeah, legal, not legal, blah blah blah...

Anyone know how I can fast forward through those friggin trailers on my DVDs?

Under the DMCA telling you that is illegal.

I bypass them when using Kaffience on Linux to play the disks.

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How do I fast forward through them on Windows or mac OS??
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2008, 07:18:48 pm »
Yeah yeah, legal, not legal, blah blah blah...

Anyone know how I can fast forward through those friggin trailers on my DVDs?

Under the DMCA telling you that is illegal.

I bypass them when using Kaffience on Linux to play the disks.

 :skeptic:

How do I fast forward through them on Windows or mac OS??

Sometimes I get past it by right clicking on the screen and seeing if I can select the Root Menu.  Or I sometimes just hit stop, then hit play again.

Doesn't always work.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2008, 07:19:40 pm »
Yeah yeah, legal, not legal, blah blah blah...

Anyone know how I can fast forward through those friggin trailers on my DVDs?

Under the DMCA telling you that is illegal.

I bypass them when using Kaffience on Linux to play the disks.

 :skeptic:

How do I fast forward through them on Windows or mac OS??

Sometimes I get past it by right clicking on the screen and seeing if I can select the Root Menu. Or I sometimes just hit stop, then hit play again.

Doesn't always work.

Oooh, thanks bro!
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Or fix this hole in a mother's son?
Can you heal the broken worlds within?
Can you strip away so we may start again?
Tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or cut this rope and let us run?
Just when all seems fine, and I'm pain free, you jab another pin,
Jab another pin in me
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2008, 07:20:32 pm »
Yeah yeah, legal, not legal, blah blah blah...

Anyone know how I can fast forward through those friggin trailers on my DVDs?

Under the DMCA telling you that is illegal.

I bypass them when using Kaffience on Linux to play the disks.

 :skeptic:

How do I fast forward through them on Windows or mac OS??

Sometimes I get past it by right clicking on the screen and seeing if I can select the Root Menu. Or I sometimes just hit stop, then hit play again.

Doesn't always work.

Oooh, thanks bro!

You're welcome.  But remember, it doesn't always work.  Depends on the DVD.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2008, 07:22:18 pm »
Yeah yeah, legal, not legal, blah blah blah...

Anyone know how I can fast forward through those friggin trailers on my DVDs?

Under the DMCA telling you that is illegal.

I bypass them when using Kaffience on Linux to play the disks.

 :skeptic:

How do I fast forward through them on Windows or mac OS??

Sometimes I get past it by right clicking on the screen and seeing if I can select the Root Menu. Or I sometimes just hit stop, then hit play again.

Doesn't always work.

Oooh, thanks bro!

You're welcome. But remember, it doesn't always work. Depends on the DVD.

Yeah we need something to get past that little problem
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But tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or fix this hole in a mother's son?
Can you heal the broken worlds within?
Can you strip away so we may start again?
Tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or cut this rope and let us run?
Just when all seems fine, and I'm pain free, you jab another pin,
Jab another pin in me
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2008, 07:39:06 pm »
As you pointed out, once they get the disk there is no law against the consumer making his own copies, likewise there is no law against the manufacturers putting DRM on the disk.

In the U.S. it is illegal to defeat that DRM (see the DMCA) and you can be put in jail for doing so or possessing the tools to do so. Fortunately all the attempts to put in a Canadian version of the DMCA have failed.

Among the tools that are illegal under the DMCA are magic markers and computer shift keys.

Maybe I'm reading the law incorrectly but DMCA still protects fair use such as bypassing DRM to make a personal backup copy, however the distribution of technology to do so is strictly prohibited.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2008, 09:37:21 pm »
why do I a Canadian get stuck with the FBI warning?.

Because you come from a mostly English Speaking country bordering the US, with a much smaller population, so most DVDs marketed in your country are either produced in the US, or produced with the intent of possible sale in the US.

You don't say.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2008, 09:56:31 pm »
why do I a Canadian get stuck with the FBI warning?.

Because you come from a mostly English Speaking country bordering the US, with a much smaller population, so most DVDs marketed in your country are either produced in the US, or produced with the intent of possible sale in the US.


You don't say.

Are you mocking me? :flame: :flame: :flame:

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2008, 10:00:14 pm »
Mocking is way too strong a word.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2008, 10:04:28 pm »
Then what word would you use?

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2008, 10:08:55 pm »
Joshing you. There was no malice in my intent. If there had been then mocking would have been correct.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2008, 11:54:34 pm »
Maybe I'm reading the law incorrectly but DMCA still protects fair use such as bypassing DRM to make a personal backup copy, however the distribution of technology to do so is strictly prohibited.


As I understand it the actual bypassing or possession of tools to do so is illegal.

How do I fast forward through them on Windows or mac OS??


Try VidoLAN.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2008, 12:20:55 am »
Maybe I'm reading the law incorrectly but DMCA still protects fair use such as bypassing DRM to make a personal backup copy, however the distribution of technology to do so is strictly prohibited.


As I understand it the actual bypassing or possession of tools to do so is illegal.

Here's the particular subsection of the law that I'm going by.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00001201----000-.html
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(c) Other Rights, Etc., Not Affected.(1) Nothing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use, under this title. l

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2008, 10:21:32 am »
What to do if someone skips the FBI screens.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2008, 04:24:50 pm »
The problem is that no matter what sort of DRM is used, there's always the pirates out there who figure out a way around it. The casual user doesn't bother with pirating much, so the DRM crap only hurts them and doesn't affect the pirate in the least.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2009, 07:06:18 am »
How the MPAA treats honest customers.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2009, 02:44:36 pm »
to provide a different lament over the demise of VHS, as a video professional, having made many many dubs of rough cuts, fine cuts, final cuts, director's cuts, every cut imaginable...
999 times out of 1000, a VHS would always copy and would always play back on every VHS machine ever made.
DVDs, well, I've made several hundred coasters over the years...

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2009, 02:58:32 pm »
The problem with VHS tho is that for every copy you made, you had to use the original. Making a copy of a copy, each time you did it you lost about 10-15 percent of the quality.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2009, 06:45:15 pm »
The only problem is that some DVD's have commands that tell the dvd player not to skip past certain scenes.

And the companies that own the rights to the DVD format specify that the players can't allow you the machine owner to skip things the disk maker mark as unskippable. They require you to give control to the disk maker of what you bought. Its MY machine and MY disk and I am the one who should be in control of it.

But its their IP, and if you want to enjoy it, you play by their rules. :carmen:

The copy is mine to do with as THE LAW allows not as the corporation desires. Legally they have no right to control what I bought.

Can your car manufacturer dictate what roads you drive on or whom you buy fuel from and who may be a passenger in it? If not then why can a publisher dictate how you use what you bought?

Poor example.

Car manufacturers can void your warranty if you use the wrong oil or if you take it in to a non partnered mechanic.

Take Dodge for example... they come with a Lifetime Warranty right?

Wrong.

Dodge carries a lifetime warranty for the original owner only.. non transferable.. not even to immediate relatives.. if the title changes names.. warranty is void. Also if you use fluids other than Full Synthetic, like Semi Synthetic or Conventional Trans Fluid or motor oil.. then warranty is void. If you change tire size from Manufacturers specs you void warranty.. if you raise or lower the vehicle outside the dealership, you void the warranty.. if you replace the stereo outside a partnered company you void the warranty..

It is a product produced by Dodge, You purchased it and you own it, however you have to follow their rules to keep your lifetime warranty.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2009, 07:04:43 pm »
The copy is mine to do with as THE LAW allows not as the corporation desires. Legally they have no right to control what I bought.

Can your car manufacturer dictate what roads you drive on or whom you buy fuel from and who may be a passenger in it? If not then why can a publisher dictate how you use what you bought?

Poor example.

Car manufacturers can void your warranty if you use the wrong oil or if you take it in to a non partnered mechanic.

Take Dodge for example... they come with a Lifetime Warranty right?

Wrong.

Dodge carries a lifetime warranty for the original owner only.. non transferable.. not even to immediate relatives.. if the title changes names.. warranty is void. Also if you use fluids other than Full Synthetic, like Semi Synthetic or Conventional Trans Fluid or motor oil.. then warranty is void. If you change tire size from Manufacturers specs you void warranty. if you raise or lower the vehicle outside the dealership, you void the warranty.. if you replace the stereo outside a partnered company you void the warranty..

It is a product produced by Dodge, You purchased it and you own it, however you have to follow their rules to keep your lifetime warranty.

Actually I don't think that all those are valid in Canada. Any type of maintenance here only takes a licensed mechanic and appropriate tools / parts they can't tell you who does it. They can say that you void the warranty by using an oil that is not to specification but they can't say you may only use our brand. The same for parts.

In any case even in your examples the company still does not claim any right to STOP you from doing these things. With copyrighted products the BSA, RIAA and MPAA are claiming to take from you rights that the law allows. These copyright organizations try to claim that you don't own what you bought and that the legal rights the law gives you can be taken by them as they are above the law. With software companies they have tried to claim that you can't sell the product. Some have even tried to claim you can't transfer between machines.

How do you think that people will react the first time a company uses the DRM on Blu-Ray players to disable playing older discs by that company? Do you really think the courts will hold up the "right" of the disc producer to retroactively take away your right to play a disc on your player? How many times will you replace your (fully functional) Blu-Ray player just to play the movies you bought before saying ENOUGH?
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