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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2009, 10:01:39 pm »
The copy is mine to do with as THE LAW allows not as the corporation desires. Legally they have no right to control what I bought. 

Can your car manufacturer dictate what roads you drive on or whom you buy fuel from and who may be a passenger in it?  If not then why can a publisher dictate how you use what you bought?

Poor example.

Car manufacturers can void your warranty if you use the wrong oil or if you take it in to a non partnered mechanic.

Take Dodge for example... they come with a Lifetime Warranty right?

Wrong.

Dodge carries a lifetime warranty for the original owner only.. non transferable.. not even to immediate relatives.. if the title changes names.. warranty is void. Also if you use fluids other than Full Synthetic, like Semi Synthetic or Conventional Trans Fluid or motor oil.. then warranty is void. If you change tire size from Manufacturers specs you void warranty. if you raise or lower the vehicle outside the dealership, you void the warranty.. if you replace the stereo outside a partnered company you void the warranty..

It is a product produced by Dodge, You purchased it and you own it, however you have to follow their rules to keep your lifetime warranty.

Actually I don't think that all those are valid in Canada.  Any type of maintenance here only takes a licensed mechanic and appropriate tools / parts they can't tell you who does it.  They can say that you void the warranty by using an oil that is not to specification but they can't say you may only use our brand.  The same for parts.

In any case even in your examples the company still does not claim any right to STOP you from doing these things.  With copyrighted products the BSA, RIAA and MPAA are claiming to take from you rights that the law allows.  These copyright organizations try to claim that you don't own what you bought and that the legal rights the law gives you can be taken by them as they are above the law.  With software companies they have tried to claim that you can't sell the product.  Some have even tried to claim you can't transfer between machines. 

How do you think that people will react the first time a company uses the DRM on Blu-Ray players to disable playing older discs by that company?  Do you really think the courts will hold up the "right" of the disc producer to retroactively take away your right to play a disc on your player?  How many times will you replace your (fully functional) Blu-Ray player just to play the movies you bought before saying ENOUGH?

Are we assuming the MPAA and RIAA can't buy the judge presiding over the class action lawsuit that would cause?
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2009, 10:13:52 pm »
The only problem is that some DVD's have commands that tell the dvd player not to skip past certain scenes.

And the companies that own the rights to the DVD format specify that the players can't allow you the machine owner to skip things the disk maker mark as unskippable.  They require you to give control to the disk maker of what you bought.  Its MY machine and MY disk and I am the one who should be in control of it.

But its their IP, and if you want to enjoy it, you play by their rules. :carmen:

The copy is mine to do with as THE LAW allows not as the corporation desires. Legally they have no right to control what I bought. 

Can your car manufacturer dictate what roads you drive on or whom you buy fuel from and who may be a passenger in it?  If not then why can a publisher dictate how you use what you bought?

Poor example.

Car manufacturers can void your warranty if you use the wrong oil or if you take it in to a non partnered mechanic.

Take Dodge for example... they come with a Lifetime Warranty right?

Wrong.

Dodge carries a lifetime warranty for the original owner only.. non transferable.. not even to immediate relatives.. if the title changes names.. warranty is void. Also if you use fluids other than Full Synthetic, like Semi Synthetic or Conventional Trans Fluid or motor oil.. then warranty is void. If you change tire size from Manufacturers specs you void warranty.. if you raise or lower the vehicle outside the dealership, you void the warranty.. if you replace the stereo outside a partnered company you void the warranty..

It is a product produced by Dodge, You purchased it and you own it, however you have to follow their rules to keep your lifetime warranty.


This is would also be like a book manufacture requiring you to read the forward of the book you bought.  I will agree it is their IP, but it is my property and the owner should be allowed to skip watching whatever they want to.

Equating a warranty to forcing you to watch something is weak.  A warranty is so you can bring it back to be repaired if something was wrong, thus requiring an amount of care is understandable.  It has nothing to do with watching ads and such.  Just on New Years I had to watch a No smoking ad on a movie we were watching.  Why is it I "had" to watch that.

Back to the warranty issue.  Dodge doesn't have the car shut-down and not work if you put the wrong oil in it.  I am allowed to put different tires on it if I choose to.  Sure warranty is void, but I still can do it.  But I don't have the option to do so with my DVD.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2009, 05:26:54 am »
Are we assuming the MPAA and RIAA can't buy the judge presiding over the class action lawsuit that would cause?

So far the RIAA when those they have sued have fought back have had a poor record.  The one big award they have received has been set aside and their appeal of that has been denied.  Those cases have gone so badly that they are at least claiming that they aren't going to be continuing to start 10s of thousands of lawsuits. 

So yes I would say we are assuming that they can't just buy the judges wholesale as they would need to as they haven't managed to in the past.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2009, 03:00:55 pm »
The copy is mine to do with as THE LAW allows not as the corporation desires. Legally they have no right to control what I bought. 

Can your car manufacturer dictate what roads you drive on or whom you buy fuel from and who may be a passenger in it?  If not then why can a publisher dictate how you use what you bought?

Poor example.

Car manufacturers can void your warranty if you use the wrong oil or if you take it in to a non partnered mechanic.

Take Dodge for example... they come with a Lifetime Warranty right?

Wrong.

Dodge carries a lifetime warranty for the original owner only.. non transferable.. not even to immediate relatives.. if the title changes names.. warranty is void. Also if you use fluids other than Full Synthetic, like Semi Synthetic or Conventional Trans Fluid or motor oil.. then warranty is void. If you change tire size from Manufacturers specs you void warranty. if you raise or lower the vehicle outside the dealership, you void the warranty.. if you replace the stereo outside a partnered company you void the warranty..

It is a product produced by Dodge, You purchased it and you own it, however you have to follow their rules to keep your lifetime warranty.

Actually I don't think that all those are valid in Canada.  Any type of maintenance here only takes a licensed mechanic and appropriate tools / parts they can't tell you who does it.  They can say that you void the warranty by using an oil that is not to specification but they can't say you may only use our brand.  The same for parts.

In any case even in your examples the company still does not claim any right to STOP you from doing these things.  With copyrighted products the BSA, RIAA and MPAA are claiming to take from you rights that the law allows.  These copyright organizations try to claim that you don't own what you bought and that the legal rights the law gives you can be taken by them as they are above the law.  With software companies they have tried to claim that you can't sell the product.  Some have even tried to claim you can't transfer between machines. 

How do you think that people will react the first time a company uses the DRM on Blu-Ray players to disable playing older discs by that company?  Do you really think the courts will hold up the "right" of the disc producer to retroactively take away your right to play a disc on your player?  How many times will you replace your (fully functional) Blu-Ray player just to play the movies you bought before saying ENOUGH?
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2009, 05:51:37 pm »
to provide a different lament over the demise of VHS, as a video professional, having made many many dubs of rough cuts, fine cuts, final cuts, director's cuts, every cut imaginable...
999 times out of 1000, a VHS would always copy and would always play back on every VHS machine ever made.
DVDs, well, I've made several hundred coasters over the years...

That is a very good point. To be honest, I have ripped every DVD I own, and keep it on a HD collection.

The reason being, is we have all seen CD's and DVD's Fall into disrepair just due to time. I think there was an article about it here in Engineering at one time.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2009, 04:35:37 pm »
to provide a different lament over the demise of VHS, as a video professional, having made many many dubs of rough cuts, fine cuts, final cuts, director's cuts, every cut imaginable...
999 times out of 1000, a VHS would always copy and would always play back on every VHS machine ever made.
DVDs, well, I've made several hundred coasters over the years...

That is a very good point. To be honest, I have ripped every DVD I own, and keep it on a HD collection.

The reason being, is we have all seen CD's and DVD's Fall into disrepair just due to time. I think there was an article about it here in Engineering at one time.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2009, 05:00:37 pm »
to provide a different lament over the demise of VHS, as a video professional, having made many many dubs of rough cuts, fine cuts, final cuts, director's cuts, every cut imaginable...
999 times out of 1000, a VHS would always copy and would always play back on every VHS machine ever made.
DVDs, well, I've made several hundred coasters over the years...

That is a very good point. To be honest, I have ripped every DVD I own, and keep it on a HD collection.

The reason being, is we have all seen CD's and DVD's Fall into disrepair just due to time. I think there was an article about it here in Engineering at one time.

Stephen
I can't  imagine  how big  you  hdd is.

LOL, It's more like a collection of 160 gig HD's that I can swap out pretty fast.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2009, 05:03:55 pm »
It might not be as bad as you think - a number of the ripping things I've seen allow for further compression, or movie-only ripping options  and so on. You could easily get 100+ movies onto a 500GB HD, and I just picked up one of those for less than $175. It's nice to have your DVD library a couple of clicks away, too.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2009, 06:10:43 pm »
exactly TAnimal. I've seen that those External Terabyte drives are getting cheaper and cheaper also.

I even have an old 60 gig that I use whenever I download a new patch etc. It's so much faster if for some reason I have to uninstall/Reinstall.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2009, 06:24:47 pm »
to provide a different lament over the demise of VHS, as a video professional, having made many many dubs of rough cuts, fine cuts, final cuts, director's cuts, every cut imaginable...
999 times out of 1000, a VHS would always copy and would always play back on every VHS machine ever made.
DVDs, well, I've made several hundred coasters over the years...

That is a very good point. To be honest, I have ripped every DVD I own, and keep it on a HD collection.

The reason being, is we have all seen CD's and DVD's Fall into disrepair just due to time. I think there was an article about it here in Engineering at one time.

Stephen

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2009, 08:37:34 pm »
to provide a different lament over the demise of VHS, as a video professional, having made many many dubs of rough cuts, fine cuts, final cuts, director's cuts, every cut imaginable...
999 times out of 1000, a VHS would always copy and would always play back on every VHS machine ever made.
DVDs, well, I've made several hundred coasters over the years...

That is a very good point. To be honest, I have ripped every DVD I own, and keep it on a HD collection.

The reason being, is we have all seen CD's and DVD's Fall into disrepair just due to time. I think there was an article about it here in Engineering at one time.

Stephen

::wonders exactly how big stephens porno collection is::

It is in exact proportion to his blue pill collection. :)
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #51 on: January 06, 2009, 06:06:35 am »
to provide a different lament over the demise of VHS, as a video professional, having made many many dubs of rough cuts, fine cuts, final cuts, director's cuts, every cut imaginable...
999 times out of 1000, a VHS would always copy and would always play back on every VHS machine ever made.
DVDs, well, I've made several hundred coasters over the years...

That is a very good point. To be honest, I have ripped every DVD I own, and keep it on a HD collection.

The reason being, is we have all seen CD's and DVD's Fall into disrepair just due to time. I think there was an article about it here in Engineering at one time.

Stephen

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I'm wondering how often he uses said collection.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #52 on: January 06, 2009, 07:13:30 am »
::wonders exactly how big stephens porno collection is::

Just so long as no one tells me any of the details of his cattle porn collection I don't care.
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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #53 on: January 06, 2009, 09:13:29 am »
Blue Pill  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Cattle porn, that is Animal Husbandry to you mister. :D

There is only a few Porno Movies I have, mostly Classics, caligula, the story of O, Debbie does Dallas. come to mind.

I have heard though that that Pirates movie is one I should get, that it actualy has a (gasp) story line to it.

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Re: The sad demise of the VHS tape.
« Reply #54 on: January 06, 2009, 09:22:03 am »
Blue Pill  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Cattle porn, that is Animal Husbandry to you mister. :D

Stephen

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