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Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« on: June 12, 2008, 08:51:59 pm »
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The journal Physical Review Letters shares details about a recent study of the cosmic microwave background – light emitted when the universe was only 400,000 years old. It is relic radiation that fills the universe and acts as evidence for the Big Bang theory. In 1992 the Cobe satellite discovered tiny fluctuations on the almost completely smooth microwave background; these were thought to be seeds from which galaxy clusters grew.

The physicists’ new model may explain why time moves in a straight line for us. Dr. Adrienne Erickcek and fellow researchers from the California Institute for Technology believe that these fluctuations somehow link to a “bubbling off” of our universe from a previous one. According to their model, new universes may be spontaneously created from empty space – a remarkably unspectacular event from inside the parent universe.


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This “arrow of time” has long been blamed by physicists on the second law of thermodynamics. According to this fundamental physical rule, systems move from order to disorder over a period of time. This rule is so fundamental, in fact, that Arthur Eddington, a pioneering astronomer quipped, “If your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation".

Professor Carroll agrees that the law cannot be avoided, unless, of course the Universe began its life in a disordered state. In Carroll’s presentation, he explained that if a Big Bang were created from cold space of a previous universe, the new universe would begin its life in an ordered state. He explained, “Every time you break an egg or spill a glass of water you're learning about the Big Bang”. The fact that you can’t re-assemble a broken egg, and the apparent direction of time are simply consequences.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2008, 07:04:05 pm »
Oh my gosh, if you belive some of this, you're a complete idiot. I belive in a Big Bang theory, but you've got the wrong time period. It will be at the end of time, it was not at the begining.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2008, 02:37:42 am »
The only Big Bang theory I believe in requires a woman to be involved in an 8 hour session that leaves her asleep for 6 days.   :D
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2008, 09:32:08 am »
Is that pretty much ALL you think about?
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2008, 03:27:17 pm »
Is that pretty much ALL you think about?

No.  Aside from getting some, I also think about how best to go about restarting my acting training, how I'm gonna learn to make models from scratch using 3DS Max, and also various ways to take over all of creation and assume the throne of Hell with as little effort as possible.

I also think about how horrible most television shows are these days, getting a new motherboard with SLI, a new monitor with a DVI connection, and what my first officer Murray is doing right now.  He and the rest of my rubber chickens are at a business convention over in Boca Raton.  I think it has something to do with pork bellies, but don't quote me on that.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2008, 07:26:00 pm »
I agree on the bad tv shows part. But all I've got is movies, I don't have any TV whatsoever.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2008, 06:59:52 am »
I agree on the bad tv shows part. But all I've got is movies, I don't have any TV whatsoever.

They need good, wholesome, family entertainment like they used to have.  Sam Kinison and George Carlin specials, Three Stooges, the good old classic Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck cartoons, and also Sledge Hammer, back on television.

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2008, 08:30:07 am »
Yes, but everyone wants what is "popular". I miss those old Bugs Bunny cartoons. Also, what's Sledge Hammer?
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2008, 11:54:53 am »
Yes, but everyone wants what is "popular". I miss those old Bugs Bunny cartoons. Also, what's Sledge Hammer?

YOU DON'T KNOW SLEDGE HAMMER?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Just exactly how young are ya?  *checks behind Akira's ears*  Damn, not only wet, but dripping.

Sledge Hammer was a TV show from back in the 80s.  Lasted only 2 seasons, but it was gold.  Good, wholesome, family entertainment that dealt with a cop that loved his job, did everything he could to uphold the law, carried a .44 magnum given to him by his father, Jack Hammer, and he also talked to his gun, slept with his gun, showered with his gun, and cooked with his gun.  Sledge Hammer was a man that kids could admire!!!

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2008, 01:06:04 pm »
I was born in 1993, so I'm 15. My older brother is the one who'd know about that. Beshides, I don't watch much TV anyway, I prefer to be with my girlfriend or be enjoying a fireworks show of homemade bombs.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2008, 01:59:01 pm »
I was born in 1993, so I'm 15. My older brother is the one who'd know about that. Beshides, I don't watch much TV anyway, I prefer to be with my girlfriend or be enjoying a fireworks show of homemade bombs.

Only 15?  No excuse!!!   :P :P :P

And you think them there homemade bombs/fireworks are something, Sledge would have yawned at the sight of them, and pulled something out of his trunk that would have made ya faint!!!   ;D ;D ;D

Seriously though, I recommend Sledge Hammer.  If you can, download them or buy them on DVD.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2008, 02:22:35 pm »
I'll look into it. But I still prefer my 50. cal over that. My dad has an authentic 50. cal fromm WW2, chains and all.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2008, 02:46:25 pm »
I'll look into it. But I still prefer my 50. cal over that. My dad has an authentic 50. cal fromm WW2, chains and all.

Not bad, but Sledge carries rocket launchers and bazookas in his trunk.  His idea of dealing with a sniper on a building, blow up the building.  But he makes sure the building is empty.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2008, 02:49:02 pm »
Hey, I ain't never seen Sledge Hammer, never even heard of it before you mentioned it. I like anything that makes a loud BOOM!
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2008, 02:53:04 pm »
Hey, I ain't never seen Sledge Hammer, never even heard of it before you mentioned it. I like anything that makes a loud BOOM!

Oh I know you've never seen Sledge Hammer.  You mentioned it.  Just saying that Sledge is a one man army.  :-p
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2008, 02:59:26 pm »
Perhaps they'll put it on one of those rerun shows on TV one day...........
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2008, 03:00:29 pm »
Perhaps they'll put it on one of those rerun shows on TV one day...........

Doubtful.  They should have let it run for another 3 or 4 seasons.  It was such a damned good show.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2008, 03:06:11 pm »
I'll know oneday, my brother likes shows like Sledge Hammer andB5. I'm sure that he'll find seasons on DVD to buy and he'll get them.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2008, 04:27:39 pm »
They have the shows "Hammeroid" and "Here's to you, Mrs Hammer" on U-Tube.

"Hammeroid" was a brillian piss take of "Robocop". ;D

Basically Hammer is a "Guns and Ammo" nut and a Nhilalist.

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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2008, 07:20:16 pm »
They have the shows "Hammeroid" and "Here's to you, Mrs Hammer" on U-Tube.

"Hammeroid" was a brillian piss take of "Robocop". ;D

Basically Hammer is a "Guns and Ammo" nut and a Nhilalist.

Great one liners in every show....

 

Oh, those terms don't even begin to describe the genius and integrity that is Sledge.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2008, 07:52:19 pm »
Back on topic.
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Oh my gosh, if you belive some of this, you're a complete idiot. I belive in a Big Bang theory, but you've got the wrong time period. It will be at the end of time, it was not at the begining.

I don't pretend to have the scientific knowledge to fully evaluate this. 

On what education in physics and cosmology do you base your assertion?
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« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2008, 08:22:43 pm »
Back on topic.
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Oh my gosh, if you belive some of this, you're a complete idiot. I belive in a Big Bang theory, but you've got the wrong time period. It will be at the end of time, it was not at the begining.

I don't pretend to have the scientific knowledge to fully evaluate this. 

On what education in physics and cosmology do you base your assertion?

This is so easy, I ain't even gonna touch it.

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2008, 08:42:57 pm »
This is so easy, I ain't even gonna touch it.

Perhaps, but sometimes people do surprise me.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2008, 10:04:03 pm »
This is so easy, I ain't even gonna touch it.

Perhaps, but sometimes people do surprise me.

Awww, come on.  Even I surprise you once in a while.  Especially that time you found me in your sock drawer planting marbles.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2008, 05:34:34 am »
Awww, come on.  Even I surprise you once in a while.  Especially that time you found me in your sock drawer planting marbles.

At least now we know where you lost your marbles.
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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2008, 01:19:25 pm »
Awww, come on.  Even I surprise you once in a while.  Especially that time you found me in your sock drawer planting marbles.

At least now we know where you lost your marbles.

I didn't lose them.  I leased them out to those who aren't fortunate enough to have marbles.
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« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2008, 04:23:49 pm »
In one episode Sledge turns up at the Police Station with what looks like a megaphone stuck onto the ned of his trusty gun.... he anounces that his invention is called a "Louder" and works in the opposite way to a silencer to mke a gun sound louder.... he then proceeds to demostrate it in Captain Trunk's office as cops dive for cover.

Sledge is gun mad and once returned from a 2 week vacation in Beruit.... which he decribed as his kind of city. This was in the mid 1980's.... ::)

When a neighbour refused to turn down his hi-fi, Sledge simply shot it through the wall.... ::)

Sldege once drove up and down a freeway with a "scumball bag snatcher" handcuffed outside his car, for an hour in order to let the criminal consider his crimes. Sldege said that he didn't want to make his car's interior dirty.

Seldge's favourite piece of music is the 1812 overture.... ::)

Sledge once had an attack of vertigo on seeing a picture of Mount Everest.

Sledge compains that left wing pinko bleeding heart liberals are ruining the country. He also likes shooting guns a lot..... as do certain H&S members, mentioning no names.

Sledge is a typical H&S member, come to think about it. ;D

 
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« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2008, 06:45:05 pm »
In one episode Sledge turns up at the Police Station with what looks like a megaphone stuck onto the ned of his trusty gun.... he anounces that his invention is called a "Louder" and works in the opposite way to a silencer to mke a gun sound louder.... he then proceeds to demostrate it in Captain Trunk's office as cops dive for cover.

Sledge is gun mad and once returned from a 2 week vacation in Beruit.... which he decribed as his kind of city. This was in the mid 1980's.... ::)

When a neighbour refused to turn down his hi-fi, Sledge simply shot it through the wall.... ::)

Sldege once drove up and down a freeway with a "scumball bag snatcher" handcuffed outside his car, for an hour in order to let the criminal consider his crimes. Sldege said that he didn't want to make his car's interior dirty.

Seldge's favourite piece of music is the 1812 overture.... ::)

Sledge once had an attack of vertigo on seeing a picture of Mount Everest.

Sledge compains that left wing pinko bleeding heart liberals are ruining the country. He also likes shooting guns a lot..... as do certain H&S members, mentioning no names.

Sledge is a typical H&S member, come to think about it. ;D

 

Correction, Sledge wasn't in Trunk's office when he used the Loudener.  The police department was having their annual gun competition to see who was the best and fastest in the department. 

When it was Sledge's turn, he used the Loudener, and after the first shot, everyone dove for cover.  Then again most of them were ready to dive for cover when it was his turn to run the course anyway.

He shot every single target, including the ones you're not supposed to shoot.

It took him I think 17 seconds to go through the obstacle course, he was given a 100% in accuracy, and a 0% in judgement.

And you call yourself a Sledge Hammer fan!!!!

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« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2008, 01:30:19 pm »
I haven't watched that episode of the show for 20 years or so (geez that long!!), though "Hammeroid" was on U-Tube this year.

I can still remember the paintball episode plsu all the memerable Sledge one liners such as, "Haven't you heard of overkill??", etc.

Sledge claims to be immune to Fire Ant bites.... ::)

Was the "Big Bang" just God fooling around with a "loudener"?? ;D

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« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2008, 07:37:03 pm »


Was the "Big Bang" just God fooling around with a "loudener"?? ;D



Maybe it was just his greatest fart to date.

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« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2008, 02:51:45 pm »
But as something cannot be made out of nothing.... unless it is a woman starting an argument and a possible row, this latest before the Bog Bang theory just leaves more questions.

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2008, 05:52:59 pm »
I think I know what Akira based his ideas off of, I think he goes with some Christian ideas, my friend has some of the same ideas as well. Things such as evolution and the Big Bang theory are just absurd. Also, I don't take kindly to jokes about God, I learned the hard way (bullet ricochete hit me in the side, just after I made a joke about God.)
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« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2008, 08:19:08 pm »
I think I know what Akira based his ideas off of, I think he goes with some Christian ideas, my friend has some of the same ideas as well. Things such as evolution and the Big Bang theory are just absurd. Also, I don't take kindly to jokes about God, I learned the hard way (bullet ricochete hit me in the side, just after I made a joke about God.)

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2008, 08:50:18 pm »
I think I know what Akira based his ideas off of, I think he goes with some Christian ideas

The big bang theory was first proposed by a priest working for the Vatican.  It goes against biblical creationism, but most science does.  Many theists embraced the big bang theory because unlike other theories at the time ie. steady state, it stated that the universe was not eternal, but began in a moment of creation, thus allowing the possibility that there was a creator.  There are billions of Christians.  When you refer to things like Christian ideas, you may only be referring to a few denominations.  Ie.  Some Christians take the Genesis creation story literally, others feel it is solely allegorical, and that you should not read it literally, but try to absorb the underlying message.

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2008, 05:36:02 am »
I think I know what Akira based his ideas off of, I think he goes with some Christian ideas, my friend has some of the same ideas as well. Things such as evolution and the Big Bang theory are just absurd. Also, I don't take kindly to jokes about God, I learned the hard way (bullet ricochete hit me in the side, just after I made a joke about God.)


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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2008, 07:45:17 am »
Does that mean I can't pray to the Fonz anymore?

Sure you can - in the appropriate forum.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2008, 08:16:59 am »
You guys should check out this site:


http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/gr/public/index.html


This particular topic is part of how they came to these conclusions:


http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/gr/public/qg_home.html

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2008, 09:25:03 am »
Does that mean I can't pray to the Fonz anymore?

Sure you can - in the appropriate forum.

But the Fonz deserves to be worshiped in all forums.  May Fonzie be with you.  Eh!!!
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2008, 09:27:56 am »
Sorry about that Nemesis, I got a little carried away there. Also, who the heck is "the Fonz"?
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2008, 09:29:17 am »
Sorry about that Nemesis, I got a little carried away there. Also, who the heck is "the Fonz"?

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2008, 09:36:30 am »
How am I supposed to know? I spend my time learning combat techniques, not learning about "the Fonz", and what's with the rubber chicken and who's Gary Coleman?
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2008, 06:28:01 pm »
There are those theorists that belive that God lit the fuse, for the big bang, with a match, and those who reckon he used a lighter....

If we can find the spent match then this will settle one theory. ::)

 
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2008, 07:44:37 pm »
Well, when you climb the mountain of truth, you'll see that the Baptists were sitting there the whole time. * pointing at himself and other Baptists alike*
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #43 on: July 06, 2008, 09:55:13 pm »
Well, when you climb the mountain of truth, you'll see that the Baptists were sitting there the whole time. * pointing at himself and other Baptists alike*

If you're going to start arguing that the viewpoints of your denomination are more truthful than those of other Christian denominations, or other religions in general, then you should stick to H&S.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #45 on: July 07, 2008, 08:22:07 am »
I'm not trying to argue points in denomination, beshides, I'm too young for H&S, I'm only 15.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #46 on: July 07, 2008, 09:08:22 am »
I'm not trying to argue points in denomination, beshides, I'm too young for H&S, I'm only 15.

You are trying to make assertions of the superiour viewpoint of one religion in what is otherwise a SCIENTIFIC topic.  Religion has no place in this discussion.  Keep it out.

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #47 on: July 07, 2008, 12:29:31 pm »
Ok, but show me a very convincing piece of evidence supporting the Big Bang theory and I may begin to belive it, but I know that there's nothing like that anywhere in the world. Show me that evidence, and I'll renounce everything I've ever belived.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2008, 01:14:27 pm »
Ok, but show me a very convincing piece of evidence supporting the Big Bang theory and I may begin to belive it, but I know that there's nothing like that anywhere in the world. Show me that evidence, and I'll renounce everything I've ever belived.

Cosmic background radiation, the fact that red shifts show that most of the universe is moving away from us, supporting the belief in an expanding universe.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #49 on: July 07, 2008, 01:25:44 pm »
So, it may be moving on it's own, not because of a bang.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #50 on: July 07, 2008, 01:47:55 pm »
So, it may be moving on it's own, not because of a bang.

notice how you didn't address the cosmic background radiation.  If the universe is expanding now, then its reasonable to assume that it had a starting point.  That point is the big bang.

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #51 on: July 07, 2008, 02:00:37 pm »
Who knows what that's from, until you build a time machine to prove t, I consider it false. So, anything else you want to try to convince me?
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #52 on: July 07, 2008, 02:12:20 pm »
Who knows what that's from, until you build a time machine to prove t, I consider it false. So, anything else you want to try to convince me?

Like the horn antennae which first detected the cosmic background radiation which is left over from the big bang?  Or the Cosmic Background Explorer (COBE) satellite, which mapped it out? 

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« Reply #53 on: July 07, 2008, 02:14:07 pm »
They are still showing the same dang thing, another one not conserning radiation.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #54 on: July 07, 2008, 02:46:05 pm »
They are still showing the same dang thing, another one not conserning radiation.

Now your changing the rules.  You said until a device was invented that proved the big bang.

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« Reply #55 on: July 07, 2008, 02:52:51 pm »
I never said a device, I said evidence, not a device.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #56 on: July 07, 2008, 03:05:41 pm »
I never said a device, I said evidence, not a device.

You still haven't come up with an explanation for the Cosmic Background radiation other than the big bang.

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« Reply #57 on: July 07, 2008, 03:26:19 pm »
I've been contemplating that right now, also talking to a few ex-military people.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #58 on: July 07, 2008, 03:28:16 pm »
Spartan, can you give concrete, irrefutable, 100% definitive evidence to disprove the Big Bang?  If so, share it.  But, keep in mind, it must be as concrete as the evidence you demand everyone here to prove the theory of the Big Bang.

If you cannot, then don't be surprised if people continuously dissect your comments and show you that your arguements have less merit and substance than others.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #59 on: July 07, 2008, 03:33:51 pm »
I have none, but I don't dwell on it because I've got better things to do than worry about it. But if you want to say it's true povide enough evidence to indesputably prove it.
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« Reply #60 on: July 07, 2008, 03:42:11 pm »
I have none, but I don't dwell on it because I've got better things to do than worry about it. But if you want to say it's true povide enough evidence to indesputably prove it.

You ask for evidence to prove the Big Bang, or at the very least provide credibility to the theory of it, yet you provide no evidence to disprove it, and then state you have better things to do than worry about it, yet you are here on these boards trying to disprove it without any evidence or proof to back up your statements.

If you can't see the oxymoron in the situation, then none of us will be able to show you.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #61 on: July 07, 2008, 03:46:07 pm »
I have none, but I don't dwell on it because I've got better things to do than worry about it. But if you want to say it's true povide enough evidence to indesputably prove it.

The big bang theory was a hypothesis based on Einstein's theory of general relativity.  It was supported by observations of Edwin Hubble which demonstrated that the most distant galaxies were moving away from us at higher speeds, thus the universe was expanding.  Eventually, it was theorized that the big bang would have left a background radiation that would still be detectable.  In true scientific method, antennae were built which could detect that wavelength, and cosmic background radiation was discovered.  We can't see the past, but if we have a basic understanding of the phenomenon we're talking about, we can predict what evidence we will find before we find it.

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #62 on: July 07, 2008, 03:55:36 pm »
The only reason I'm on here debating it is because I'm sick and I can't go working outside today. Beshides, you want scientific proof, which I have none, execpt perhaps that it disprves age, there are 110-120 ways to age the planet, and only 7 or so ways say the planet is older than 10,000 years old. Beshides, Carbon-14 is very unreliable, put some chicken in the microwave and it will be older, much older than you are. So Carbon-14 is an unreliable way to age th planet, beyond that, I have nothing.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #63 on: July 07, 2008, 04:06:10 pm »
The only reason I'm on here debating it is because I'm sick and I can't go working outside today. Beshides, you want scientific proof, which I have none, execpt perhaps that it disprves age, there are 110-120 ways to age the planet, and only 7 or so ways say the planet is older than 10,000 years old. Beshides, Carbon-14 is very unreliable, put some chicken in the microwave and it will be older, much older than you are. So Carbon-14 is an unreliable way to age th planet, beyond that, I have nothing.

List some of the ways to age a planet that say its younger than 10,000 years.

Carbon 14 dating can't date something back further than 45,000.  The methods of determining the minimum age of the earth as over 4 billion years comes from analyzing other radioactive elements.

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #64 on: July 07, 2008, 04:09:10 pm »
The only reason I'm on here debating it is because I'm sick and I can't go working outside today. Beshides, you want scientific proof, which I have none, execpt perhaps that it disprves age, there are 110-120 ways to age the planet, and only 7 or so ways say the planet is older than 10,000 years old. Beshides, Carbon-14 is very unreliable, put some chicken in the microwave and it will be older, much older than you are. So Carbon-14 is an unreliable way to age th planet, beyond that, I have nothing.

State your proof.  State these methods you mention that support your views.  You have yet to mention them, yet you say that every other scientific method for dating the Earth is false and unreliable.

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #65 on: July 07, 2008, 04:14:04 pm »
Obviously, I was told wrong by my science teacher, but I know of none of the other methods, I've been trying to do other things online. I rarely bother with this because I'm usually busy with other things, I said only seven were saying that the Earth is older than 10,000 years old. The rest are saying is it's young. I just go with what a good Christian man is saying, he's the pastor of my church and does not lie, wait till this Sunday and I'll have the proof you want.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #66 on: July 07, 2008, 04:22:36 pm »
Obviously, I was told wrong by my science teacher, but I know of none of the other methods, I've been trying to do other things online. I rarely bother with this because I'm usually busy with other things, I said only seven were saying that the Earth is older than 10,000 years old. The rest are saying is it's young. I just go with what a good Christian man is saying, he's the pastor of my church and does not lie, wait till this Sunday and I'll have the proof you want.

The figure of the earth's age at 10,000 years is derived from biblical literalism, tracing the genealogies in the bible until you reach a point where you can correlate figures mentioned against the bible with known historical figures and dates.  Your pastor may be truthful in saying that he does not believe the earth to be older than 10,000 years, but that does not mean the earth is not older.

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #67 on: July 07, 2008, 04:26:32 pm »
Obviously, I was told wrong by my science teacher, but I know of none of the other methods, I've been trying to do other things online. I rarely bother with this because I'm usually busy with other things, I said only seven were saying that the Earth is older than 10,000 years old. The rest are saying is it's young. I just go with what a good Christian man is saying, he's the pastor of my church and does not lie, wait till this Sunday and I'll have the proof you want.

Whether or not he lies is irrelevant.  Whether or not he's educated is, and from the sound of it, he isn't.  Remember, there was a time when religion considered blacks as not even human, and native americans as savage and devil worshipers.  And yes, this includes the Christian religion.

If you want to constantly state that everything everyone else here considers true is false because you believe otherwise, then you are no different than those you claim have put you down for believing different than them.  Not very "Christian" of you, is it?
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #68 on: July 07, 2008, 04:29:35 pm »
Obviously, I was told wrong by my science teacher, but I know of none of the other methods, I've been trying to do other things online. I rarely bother with this because I'm usually busy with other things, I said only seven were saying that the Earth is older than 10,000 years old. The rest are saying is it's young. I just go with what a good Christian man is saying, he's the pastor of my church and does not lie, wait till this Sunday and I'll have the proof you want.

The figure of the earth's age at 10,000 years is derived from biblical literalism, tracing the genealogies in the bible until you reach a point where you can correlate figures mentioned against the bible with known historical figures and dates.  Your pastor may be truthful in saying that he does not believe the earth to be older than 10,000 years, but that does not mean the earth is not older.

If I may also add, Knightstorm, that his preacher cannot state with 100% accuracy and with 100% proof that the Earth isn't older than 10,000 years.  All his pastor has is his belief, but with nothing more to substantiate his claims.

Also, the Bible, through the generations, has been translated numerous times from numerous languages, some of which are either dead or dying languages, and that segments of the Bible may have been translated inaccurately as well.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #69 on: July 07, 2008, 04:31:27 pm »
Biblical terms say the Earth is 6,000 years old. I belive him, he's also the one who told me about those methods. He bashes evoloution and the Big Bang theory often. If you wish to dispute him, be prepared because he graduated college as part of a Science Honors Society. he knows much more than I do and I believe what he says.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #70 on: July 07, 2008, 04:35:43 pm »
Biblical terms say the Earth is 6,000 years old. I belive him, he's also the one who told me about those methods. He bashes evoloution and the Big Bang theory often. If you wish to dispute him, be prepared because he graduated college as part of a Science Honors Society. he knows much more than I do and I believe what he says.

And you assume that the rest of us aren't educated?  Keep in mind, there are many here that have degrees in various sciences, and others that have studied independently for many years various scientific disciplines.

What reasons does he give to disprove the theory of evolution and the Big Bang, other than it probably doesn't agree with his religion.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #71 on: July 07, 2008, 04:45:14 pm »
Biblical terms say the Earth is 6,000 years old. I belive him, he's also the one who told me about those methods. He bashes evoloution and the Big Bang theory often. If you wish to dispute him, be prepared because he graduated college as part of a Science Honors Society. he knows much more than I do and I believe what he says.

What you believe is what you believe.

It's only relevent to you, and to people who believe like you.

What you neglect to see is the simple and obvious fact staring you right in the face: The reality of a creationist universe (the universe in which you believe) isn't dependent on a silly centuries old belief that the earth is 6,000 years old.

I'll state that again, just so we understand each other clearly:

No christian worth his salt believes that the earth is 6,000 years old. Does that mean that God doesn't exist? Of course not, it only means that the earth isn't 6,000 years old. Your pastor isn't perfect, no man is perfect. He is wrong. And here's the kicker: no where in the bible does it say that the earth is 6,000 years old.

In any case, the debate here is rather pointless. You're young, so I can understand how this might be new and interesting to you --- but we here have had this little argument time and time again, and it never goes anywhere. You see, the problem is that we're speaking two different languages. The language of belief, created by faith...and the language of science, created by observation and proof. You can't use terms from one to attempt to disprove concepts from the other. In other words, science belongs with science, and faith belongs with faith.

Of course, people like to mix their beliefs and the problem comes exactly when people do just that. They expect that their own personal religious beliefs can and should affect EVERYONES viewpoint of the universe. Down that path lies folly, and a lot of wasted energy. You cannot prove your own viewpoint -- but then again, why would you want to anyways? Rememeber, what you believe is only important to you. Why waste your time trying to convince people who will not be convinced?

It has been my own personal experiance that the time spent debating the pointless is often better spent reconciling the differences between my scientific beliefs and my religious beliefs. In other words, to understand that while faith can be important to your understanding or view of the world -- it isn't the only valid perspective. Science exists to explain that which can be explained. Religion exists to explain that which cannot be explained.


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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #72 on: July 07, 2008, 04:49:08 pm »
Eh, centur,

the big bang and "God did it" both have the same problem with them:

There isn't any explanation as to what happend BEFORE God existed, or what existed -- if anything -- before the big bang.

That's the hypocracy of the creationist mindset. They are unable to explain what existed before God. Of course, in the bible it states that "God is and ever was" implying a certain paradox that is difficult or impossible to comprehend in human terms. But still, the hypocracy still exists: The unablity to explain what came BEFORE.

They use this critique against the big bang theory; stating that since we don't know what came before the big bang that somehow invalidates or pokes a large hole in the theory, yet they seem to be unwilling to address that the very same critique can be applied to the creationist concept as well. What came before God...what existed before he created the universe.

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #73 on: July 07, 2008, 04:52:36 pm »
I never said that, I was only stating that which I was told. He spent alot of time studying both arguments with an open mind. He found more evidence supporting Christian beliefs than those supporting the Big Bang. Also, I may be young, but I don't find this intresting, I just took a look and decided to put a small note in and it became this debate. I did my best to follow my pastors steps as best I could to allow me to see exactly what he saw and I saw exactly what he saw, it makes more sense to believe in something like ID or Christianity than  the Big Bang, I'd rather not belive in something that happened by complete accident.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #74 on: July 07, 2008, 04:59:49 pm »
I never said that, I was only stating that which I was told. He spent alot of time studying both arguments with an open mind. He found more evidence supporting Christian beliefs than those supporting the Big Bang. Also, I may be young, but I don't find this intresting, I just took a look and decided to put a small note in and it became this debate. I did my best to follow my pastors steps as best I could to allow me to see exactly what he saw and I saw exactly what he saw, it makes more sense to believe in something like ID or Christianity than  the Big Bang, I'd rather not belive in something that happened by complete accident.

You stated that you believed him that the earth is 6,000 years old.

Complete accidents happen every day. The seemingly improbable happens more than you may think.

Things exist as they are, not as you hope them to be. The universe is vast and complex, and it has been there long before we have had the brain size necessary to contemplate its vastness.

I think you're confusing "sense" with "comfort". It can make perfect sense for a universe to exist without a supreme being. The reason why you believe in ID is because it makes you more comfortable to believe in it.

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #75 on: July 07, 2008, 05:00:56 pm »
Eh, centur,

the big bang and "God did it" both have the same problem with them:

There isn't any explanation as to what happend BEFORE God existed, or what existed -- if anything -- before the big bang.

That's the hypocracy of the creationist mindset. They are unable to explain what existed before God. Of course, in the bible it states that "God is and ever was" implying a certain paradox that is difficult or impossible to comprehend in human terms. But still, the hypocracy still exists: The unablity to explain what came BEFORE.

They use this critique against the big bang theory; stating that since we don't know what came before the big bang that somehow invalidates or pokes a large hole in the theory, yet they seem to be unwilling to address that the very same critique can be applied to the creationist concept as well. What came before God...what existed before he created the universe.

Oh I absolutely agree.  However, our young, confused guest was very adamant that the Big Bang was false in every aspect, but yet refused to state any proof of his claims and beliefs, but insisted that the proof the rest of us base our claims and beliefs were false and inaccurate, without any reasoning behind his claims as well.

There are some, and I will admit I am one of them, that believes that there is a God, and that he was responsible for the Big Bang, and from there the universe as it now came into existence, and that this universe is governed by natural law and the laws of physics, as we understand them at this point in time.  Someone else stated that very same point before in this thread, or another.  I can't be exactly sure which thread, nor who it was, but I agreed with his statement.

It's my way of sorting out that which can be scientifically proven, with that which we may never be able to completely understand.  I, like many on these boards here, including you my good friend, take into account that somewhere down the line in the future, what we believe is true may be proven to be absolutely true, yet the opposite is also likely, that what we may hold true today may be disproven later on.  But, many of us agree that it will be done through the scientific process, and not through mere faith.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #76 on: July 07, 2008, 05:04:37 pm »
So, it may be moving on it's own, not because of a bang.


Not according to these, which have been proven time and time again. Pay attention to the ones in bold:



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"Newton's First Law of Motion:
I. Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.


This we recognize as essentially Galileo's concept of inertia, and this is often termed simply the "Law of Inertia".



Newton's Second Law of Motion:
II. The relationship between an object's mass m, its acceleration a, and the applied force F is F = ma. Acceleration and force are vectors (as indicated by their symbols being displayed in slant bold font); in this law the direction of the force vector is the same as the direction of the acceleration vector.  

This is the most powerful of Newton's three Laws, because it allows quantitative calculations of dynamics: how do velocities change when forces are applied. Notice the fundamental difference between Newton's 2nd Law and the dynamics of Aristotle: according to Newton, a force causes only a change in velocity (an acceleration); it does not maintain the velocity as Aristotle held.

This is sometimes summarized by saying that under Newton, F = ma, but under Aristotle F = mv, where v is the velocity. Thus, according to Aristotle there is only a velocity if there is a force, but according to Newton an object with a certain velocity maintains that velocity unless a force acts on it to cause an acceleration (that is, a change in the velocity). As we have noted earlier in conjunction with the discussion of Galileo, Aristotle's view seems to be more in accord with common sense, but that is because of a failure to appreciate the role played by frictional forces. Once account is taken of all forces acting in a given situation it is the dynamics of Galileo and Newton, not of Aristotle, that are found to be in accord with the observations.



Newton's Third Law of Motion:
III. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
 

This law is exemplified by what happens if we step off a boat onto the bank of a lake: as we move in the direction of the shore, the boat tends to move in the opposite direction (leaving us facedown in the water, if we aren't careful!)."

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By the first law, something had to happen to get the material of the universe moving in the first place because the opposite of that law is also true: An object at rest will stay at rest until acted upon by an outside force. By the third we can deduce that something did push the material to get it moving and it was full of energy. Whether that was the big bang, inflation or God will always be up for debate I figure.


Guys, Membrane Theory does explain what was there before the Big Bang. In fact, it explains what caused the Big Bang and the entire structure of our universe. I encourage you to check out that site I linked earlier.

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #77 on: July 07, 2008, 05:06:15 pm »
I never said that, I was only stating that which I was told. He spent alot of time studying both arguments with an open mind. He found more evidence supporting Christian beliefs than those supporting the Big Bang.

And as I have stated before you can't refer to those as Christian beliefs because they only refer to one group of Christians.  Its like saying that Nazism is a white belief.

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« Reply #78 on: July 07, 2008, 05:12:18 pm »
Sorry about earlier everyone, I raise the white flag. But I've was taught to be intolerant of other beliefs because the devil would try to allure me into a trap of some sorts. But, I guess the only way to find out for sure is to die and find out for yourself. Then to the problem of sending a messenger back to the living. also, the beliefs I was refering to was standard Christian beliefs, not counting Johovah's Witnesses..
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« Reply #79 on: July 07, 2008, 05:16:10 pm »
Sorry about earlier everyone, I raise the white flag. But I've was taught to be intolerant of other beliefs because the devil would try to allure me into a trap of some sorts. But, I guess the only way to find out for sure is to die and find out for yourself. Then to the problem of sending a messenger back to the living. also, the beliefs I was refering to was standard Christian beliefs, not counting Johovah's Witnesses..

Doesn't refer to Catholicism, which is the largest Christian denomination in the world.

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« Reply #80 on: July 07, 2008, 05:19:15 pm »
Of course not, I'm Protestant!
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« Reply #81 on: July 07, 2008, 05:22:44 pm »
Of course not, I'm Protestant!

Be that as it may, the only things which can truthfully be stated as Christian beliefs are those which are true for all Protestants, Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Copts.

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« Reply #82 on: July 07, 2008, 05:28:00 pm »
Thanks, but I finally surrender, but I still will not become a Big Bang supporter.
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« Reply #83 on: July 07, 2008, 05:31:49 pm »
Thanks, but I finally surrender, but I still will not become a Big Bang supporter.

You don't have to. It was more of a collision.  ;)

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« Reply #84 on: July 07, 2008, 05:35:15 pm »
Oh well, as long as it don't involve Centurus colliding with a rubber chicken, I'll listen.
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« Reply #85 on: July 07, 2008, 05:37:52 pm »
Oh well, as long as it don't involve Centurus colliding with a rubber chicken, I'll listen.

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« Reply #86 on: July 07, 2008, 05:41:45 pm »
Perhaps that's why you're obsessed with rubber chickens.............................. :huh:
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« Reply #87 on: July 07, 2008, 05:50:43 pm »
Perhaps that's why you're obsessed with rubber chickens.............................. :huh:

I am not obsessed with them.  My rubber chickens are the most powerful force in all of existence, second only to God herself/himself/itself, since it was God that forged the first RUBBER CHICKEN!!!, and bestowed upon the first RUBBER CHICKEN!!! a portion of his/her/it infinite cosmic powers, and declared that only one throughout all of time and space shall ever be able to wield that power, and for better or worse (most agree worse), that one is me.

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« Reply #88 on: July 07, 2008, 05:53:13 pm »
 :huh: What was that?
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« Reply #89 on: July 07, 2008, 05:59:30 pm »
:huh: What was that?

Come now Rosie, don't get mad.  Here's a sub sandwich. 

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« Reply #90 on: July 07, 2008, 06:01:55 pm »
No, I ain't hungry, I want to blow stuff up. And my name ain't Rosie!!!!
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« Reply #91 on: July 07, 2008, 06:02:38 pm »
No, I ain't hungry, I want to blow stuff up. And my name ain't Rosie!!!!

*hands you a grenade without the pin*

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« Reply #92 on: July 07, 2008, 06:06:14 pm »
Take it back! * throws it back and it detonates leaving a thick cloud of smoke*
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« Reply #93 on: July 07, 2008, 06:07:34 pm »
Take it back! * throws it back and it detonates leaving a thick cloud of smoke*

*walks through the smoke licking his lips*  Yummy!!!  Cherry and lemon filling.

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« Reply #94 on: July 07, 2008, 06:09:40 pm »
*winces............................no exsplosion* Ha its a dud! Beshides, I had on another arm. *takes off the spare arm and hands it to Centurus*.
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« Reply #95 on: July 07, 2008, 06:13:14 pm »
*winces............................no exsplosion* Ha its a dud! Beshides, I had on another arm. *takes off the spare arm and hands it to Centurus*.

You're right about one thing.  It was a dud.  More precisely, a decoy.  The live grenade without the pin was put down the front of your pants, but it's equipped with a delayed timer, but with industrial strength, fast drying super glue.

However, that wasn't a fake arm.  I had taken a hacksaw and cut through the shoulder joint, but I did it fast enough that your brain hasn't had time yet to register the pain.

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #96 on: July 07, 2008, 06:19:05 pm »
I also regenarate, you didn't know that. *gets back up on two legs with a new arm* Here you go. *hands a thermite grenade to Centurus, it has maximum stregth super glue and sticks to his chest. The pin is missing, spartan leans back and watches a barbeque as Centurus screams in pain.*
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« Reply #97 on: July 07, 2008, 06:21:08 pm »
I also regenarate, you didn't know that. *gets back up on two legs with a new arm* Here you go. *hands a thermite grenade to Centurus, it has maximum stregth super glue and sticks to his chest. The pin is missing, spartan leans back and watches a barbeque as Centurus screams in pain.*

Actually, the thermite grenade was quite tasty and spicy.  The screams of pain was coming across an old school photo of myself from 2nd grade.

And plugging mannequin legs and an arm to yourself isn't regeneration.  However, it is quick.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #98 on: July 07, 2008, 06:26:30 pm »
You've got it all wrong.

I created the universe. In all my great and infinate wisdom, I decided not to allow any evidence of my existance or creation to survive the act of creation.

I've come to the conclusion that it's much funnier to let all you hapless mortals argue and fight over my existance than to give any clear evidence.

All of lifes foibles are for the entertainment of the supreme being.

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« Reply #99 on: July 07, 2008, 06:28:14 pm »
You've got it all wrong.

I created the universe. In all my great and infinate wisdom, I decided not to allow any evidence of my existance or creation to survive the act of creation.

I've come to the conclusion that it's much funnier to let all you hapless mortals argue and fight over my existance than to give any clear evidence.

All of lifes foibles are for the entertainment of the supreme being.

Oh yeah?  Then how do you explain Pee Wee Herman?
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« Reply #100 on: July 07, 2008, 06:29:05 pm »
We don't care for you Bishop, and how'd you know about the mannequien legs and arms????
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« Reply #101 on: July 07, 2008, 06:30:22 pm »
We don't care for you Bishop, and how'd you know about the mannequien legs and arms????

*smacks Spartan with a rubber chicken and turns him into Jamie Lynn Spears before the birth*

His name isn't Bishop.  It's Punisher!!!  And who do you think gave you the mannequin arm and legs? 
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #102 on: July 07, 2008, 06:39:35 pm »
I got them at Wal-Mart.......And sorry Punisher, I was just calling you what your name says. Sorry.....
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« Reply #103 on: July 07, 2008, 06:41:17 pm »
I got them at Wal-Mart.......And sorry Punisher, I was just calling you what your name says. Sorry.....

Actually, I took the ones you got at Wal-Mart and sold them on EBAY for 3 bucks, and gave you my brand parts.

Sorry I was out of men's parts though.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #104 on: July 07, 2008, 06:47:05 pm »
No I had mens parts. But O'Mally may be around here some where, be ready and tell your rubber chickens to seek him out and kill him before he aquires the launch codes for the US nukes.
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« Reply #105 on: July 07, 2008, 06:49:17 pm »
No I had mens parts. But O'Mally may be around here some where, be ready and tell your rubber chickens to seek him out and kill him before he aquires the launch codes for the US nukes.

Look at your new arm and legs again.  You'll notice the stamps labled, "Petite Misses Section".
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« Reply #106 on: July 07, 2008, 06:52:37 pm »
No, they're all organic. * takes out a knife  and draws blood from the right arm, right and left legs.* See they're real.
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« Reply #107 on: July 07, 2008, 06:54:25 pm »
No, they're all organic. * takes out a knife  and draws blood from the right arm, right and left legs.* See they're real.

Actually, that's a trick knife where colored water pours from the blade when you press down hard enough.  It's how I do my blood from stones routine.
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« Reply #108 on: July 07, 2008, 07:00:12 pm »
Now, this is my father's bouy knife. It's real.
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« Reply #109 on: July 07, 2008, 07:01:45 pm »
Now, this is my father's bouy knife. It's real.

Nope.  *pulls out the bouy knife and picks his teeth*  I lifted your knife off your left leg when it blew off.  I gave you my knife.
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« Reply #110 on: July 07, 2008, 07:04:23 pm »
Aww, you son of a *cut off by Shelia the tank blowing Centurus up. He's amazed by Shelia*
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« Reply #111 on: July 07, 2008, 07:06:24 pm »
Aww, you son of a *cut off by Shelia the tank blowing Centurus up. He's amazed by Shelia*

*opens the window in the smoke and puts his head out*  Another round Shelia.  I gotta wash my back.
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« Reply #112 on: July 07, 2008, 07:09:11 pm »
You've got it all wrong.

I created the universe. In all my great and infinate wisdom, I decided not to allow any evidence of my existance or creation to survive the act of creation.

I've come to the conclusion that it's much funnier to let all you hapless mortals argue and fight over my existance than to give any clear evidence.

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Oh yeah?  Then how do you explain Pee Wee Herman?

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« Reply #113 on: July 07, 2008, 07:09:38 pm »
You've got it all wrong.

I created the universe. In all my great and infinate wisdom, I decided not to allow any evidence of my existance or creation to survive the act of creation.

I've come to the conclusion that it's much funnier to let all you hapless mortals argue and fight over my existance than to give any clear evidence.

All of lifes foibles are for the entertainment of the supreme being.

Oh yeah?  Then how do you explain Pee Wee Herman?

Even God has an off day.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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« Reply #114 on: July 07, 2008, 07:11:12 pm »
You've got it all wrong.

I created the universe. In all my great and infinate wisdom, I decided not to allow any evidence of my existance or creation to survive the act of creation.

I've come to the conclusion that it's much funnier to let all you hapless mortals argue and fight over my existance than to give any clear evidence.

All of lifes foibles are for the entertainment of the supreme being.

Oh yeah?  Then how do you explain Pee Wee Herman?

Even God has an off day.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Well, I suppose it's my fault.  I did spike your booze with grain alcohol. 
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #115 on: July 07, 2008, 07:13:54 pm »
Rodger. Shelia responded *Shelia's turret turns right to Centurus's head, then fires* Eeeewwww. Brains all over the wall. *Spartan hears a voice and turns to see a guy running towards a red base.* He yells "Church! I'm coming to help! Don't start without me! *Then a rocket hit's the blue guy and he blows up* Church stands prisonor on top the Red base. "Caboose! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!" *Spartan turns back and thinks it's so familiar.*
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #116 on: July 07, 2008, 07:17:25 pm »
Rodger. Shelia responded *Shelia's turret turns right to Centurus's head, then fires* Eeeewwww. Brains all over the wall. *Spartan hears a voice and turns to see a guy running towards a red base.* He yells "Church! I'm coming to help! Don't start without me! *Then a rocket hit's the blue guy and he blows up* Church stands prisonor on top the Red base. "Caboose! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!" *Spartan turns back and thinks it's so familiar.*

You shot my watermelon.  YOU SHOT MY WATERMELON!!!!  *gets naked and assumes control of Shelia and turns all of Shelia's weapons on herself*

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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #117 on: July 07, 2008, 07:24:01 pm »
*During the rucus, Spartan sneaks to his fighter, gets in and flies to space. He calls Centurus* and says, too bad, I'm the one who pulled the trigger, you destroyed the wrong one.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #118 on: July 07, 2008, 07:25:49 pm »
*During the rucus, Spartan sneaks to his fighter, gets in and flies to space. He calls Centurus* and says, too bad, I'm the one who pulled the trigger, you destroyed the wrong one.

Actually, I didn't.  And I rigged your fighter with a specially designed AI, and gave it Fran Drescher's voice.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #119 on: July 07, 2008, 07:28:06 pm »
Ok, but you can't catch me now! I'm now in a alternate dimension and you'll never find me. Oh no...............
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #120 on: July 07, 2008, 07:38:23 pm »
Ok, but you can't catch me now! I'm now in a alternate dimension and you'll never find me. Oh no...............

*tosses away the remote control and leans back and drinks some beer*  Maybe I shouldn't have sent him to the It's A Small World looping ride in that Hell dimension.

Oh well.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #121 on: July 07, 2008, 07:41:17 pm »
No! It's a whole world of Centurues! I'm doomed!
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #122 on: July 07, 2008, 07:48:32 pm »
No! It's a whole world of Centurues! I'm doomed!

Hey Pun, you were right.  That cloning machine did the trick.  Is a 75% bonus good?
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #123 on: July 07, 2008, 07:50:15 pm »
OMG! I'm being surronded by floating rubber chickens, they're all dead, what happened here?
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #124 on: July 07, 2008, 07:52:19 pm »
OMG! I'm being surronded by floating rubber chickens, they're all dead, what happened here?

Those aren't rubber chickens.  Those are those people that dress in chicken costumes and stand on street corners.  They're not dead.  Just in shock.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #125 on: July 07, 2008, 07:55:53 pm »
They're dead, I'm in freaking space, they're all dead! Oh well, target practice!
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #126 on: July 07, 2008, 08:00:33 pm »
They're dead, I'm in freaking space, they're all dead! Oh well, target practice!

They're not dead, and you're not in space.  You're just in Rosanne's mouth.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #127 on: July 07, 2008, 08:07:00 pm »
Who's Rosanne?
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #128 on: July 07, 2008, 08:11:55 pm »
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #129 on: July 07, 2008, 08:14:05 pm »
What? How am I supposed to know? It's just like that Fonz guy.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #130 on: July 07, 2008, 08:14:53 pm »
What? How am I supposed to know? It's just like that Fonz guy.

*shakes his head*  You poor, poor boy. 
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #131 on: July 07, 2008, 08:17:52 pm »
Ah shut up. I just am clueless.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #132 on: July 07, 2008, 08:18:46 pm »
Ah shut up. I just am clueless.

Oh it's much more than that.  But oh well.  *shakes his head*
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #133 on: July 07, 2008, 08:23:12 pm »
Oh well, now to the building of empires!
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #134 on: July 07, 2008, 08:23:57 pm »
Oh well, now to the building of empires!

We don't build empires. 
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #135 on: July 07, 2008, 08:27:19 pm »
I meant on a video game, Advanced Civilizations 2.
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Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang'
« Reply #136 on: July 08, 2008, 04:52:02 am »
Biblical terms say the Earth is 6,000 years old. I belive him, he's also the one who told me about those methods. He bashes evoloution and the Big Bang theory often. If you wish to dispute him, be prepared because he graduated college as part of a Science Honors Society. he knows much more than I do and I believe what he says.

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