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OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« on: August 13, 2007, 07:23:53 am »
Words just don't do this justice..............

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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2007, 09:13:52 am »
I've seen. It's very Atolmian.
I wonder how long it will take for there to be a game model.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2007, 10:23:17 am »
I wonder how long it will take for there to be a game model.

Didn't someone mention in an earlier thread that this model was in development? And I hope this model becomes reality sooner rather than later.

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2007, 02:09:30 pm »
Knew it was just a matter of time. I wonder how trek series models would have evolved over the last 40 years had this been the original series Enterprise.
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2007, 04:21:57 pm »
Global Illumination error in the left rear nacelle.. he might want to take a look at that.
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2007, 06:54:46 pm »
cool model, that will make a great x tech ship for the tos period :)

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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2007, 08:30:05 pm »
That is F***ing gorgeous! Don't get me wrong, TOS is great and the design of 1701 is a classic, but if they were to redo the series with this in it, then if for no other reason it would get my vote lol.
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2007, 09:02:23 pm »
 :o This isn't off topic! It NEEDS to be modelled for SFC! Way cool.

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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2007, 02:09:49 am »
*grabs at model*

Thought this ship was great in the "ships of the line" book.

My only gripe is that the primary hull doesn't seem to be perfectly circular... but everything else about it makes me wants it bad!

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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2007, 03:19:58 am »
I wonder how long it will take for there to be a game model.

Didn't someone mention in an earlier thread that this model was in development? And I hope this model becomes reality sooner rather than later.

I was working on a low poly version. She's at around 7K polies and I thought it was a bit high and needed to be refined. I was working off of an earlier untextured version of the model. That's why my textures don't match Gabe's. Looks like he might have changed a couple things on the mesh, as well. The bridge, for one thing (Which I really spent a lot of time on, unfortunately :'().
Anyway, here's the version that I was working on. I haven't done anything on it for a few months now.
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2007, 03:32:00 am »
It looks like he changed the impulse engine area as well, but that is an outstanding start Rod  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2007, 03:43:10 am »
Yeah, MP. There's a lot of minor changes all over it, actually. The Impulse style was rolled back a lot. The version in the pics you're showing is quite a bit "less styled". Way way beter a TOS feel. I'll definatley redo it like the one you got here. I was making it a BB for SFC because of the rear firing torps. Plus, scale wise, it looked a lot bigger than the TOS or TMP Enterprise. She looked more like 500 meters than 300 in the version I was working with. (Thus the name USS Athena.)

The 2ndry hull looks a whole heap like Atolms TMP FDN, which is the older design of the 2. Not saying that Gabe's isn't original. Just stating that Atolm never saw Gabe's before he designed his DN.
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2007, 04:44:18 am »
nice one rod. both of these seem to stem from that design from the ship of the line calendar that basicly had a heavily nx-ified tos connie.

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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2007, 01:26:12 pm »
I wonder how long it will take for there to be a game model.

Didn't someone mention in an earlier thread that this model was in development? And I hope this model becomes reality sooner rather than later.

I was working on a low poly version. She's at around 7K polies and I thought it was a bit high and needed to be refined. I was working off of an earlier untextured version of the model. That's why my textures don't match Gabe's. Looks like he might have changed a couple things on the mesh, as well. The bridge, for one thing (Which I really spent a lot of time on, unfortunately :'().
Anyway, here's the version that I was working on. I haven't done anything on it for a few months now.

liking your textures far more m8 looks far nicer

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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2007, 03:46:18 pm »
DD makes a good point, why not also keep your as a TMP refit of this beauty? Ya know loose the def sat dish keep your impulse area and bridge etc........ ;)

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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2007, 01:19:32 am »
I'm gonna do a total remake. I think that I can shave quite a lot of polies off for the latter design. I'm not going to throw this mesh away though. If there's a desire for 2 versions I can do as you suggest.
I would like to attempt an accurate low poly version of the final design, though. Just for my own personal satisfaction. Game res accurate, at least. 8)
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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2007, 04:48:01 am »
I'm gonna do a total remake. I think that I can shave quite a lot of polies off for the latter design. I'm not going to throw this mesh away though. If there's a desire for 2 versions I can do as you suggest.
I would like to attempt an accurate low poly version of the final design, though. Just for my own personal satisfaction. Game res accurate, at least. 8)

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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2007, 12:08:02 am »
I wonder how long it will take for there to be a game model.

Didn't someone mention in an earlier thread that this model was in development? And I hope this model becomes reality sooner rather than later.

I was working on a low poly version. She's at around 7K polies and I thought it was a bit high and needed to be refined. I was working off of an earlier untextured version of the model. That's why my textures don't match Gabe's. Looks like he might have changed a couple things on the mesh, as well. The bridge, for one thing (Which I really spent a lot of time on, unfortunately :'().
Anyway, here's the version that I was working on. I haven't done anything on it for a few months now.

Oh wow...

Rod, get this done please. I'll airmail you some of my wife's homemade brownies, if you do.  ;D

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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2007, 07:47:14 pm »
Just curious to know if you have had a chance to work on your version of this beautiful model, Rod.

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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2007, 11:54:31 am »
That is F***ing gorgeous! Don't get me wrong, TOS is great and the design of 1701 is a classic, but if they were to redo the series with this in it, then if for no other reason it would get my vote lol.


Who knows maybe JJ Abrams will use this ship design in Star Trek 11, due out on December 25, 2008.  They just started shooting on Wednesday, November 7, 2007 (4 days ago) through March 2008.  Leonard Nimoy will play old Spock and Zachary Quinto (Heroes' Sylar) will play young Spock, along with Bruce Greenwood as Captain Christopher Pike and many other familiar TOS characters.


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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2007, 12:48:15 am »
BUMP for Rod, any updates on yours ?

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« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2007, 03:15:31 am »
I have a new mesh that I'm texturing ATM. I'm gonna try real hard for Christmas release, if I can get permission from GK.
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« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2007, 11:02:50 pm »
Would love to see some pics of your version, textured or un-textured doesn't matter :D
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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2007, 04:26:49 pm »
Well, it's at a really unflattering point in the texturing right now. I'll get a little further along and post some pics.
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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2007, 01:00:17 am »
I have a new mesh that I'm texturing ATM. I'm gonna try real hard for Christmas release, if I can get permission from GK.

Perhaps a New Year's release? :P

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« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2007, 02:02:21 am »
I have a new mesh that I'm texturing ATM. I'm gonna try real hard for Christmas release, if I can get permission from GK.

Perhaps a New Year's release? :P

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« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2007, 03:30:27 am »
I have that ship as my desktop.. It Rocks..

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« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2007, 02:15:57 pm »
I have a new mesh that I'm texturing ATM. I'm gonna try real hard for Christmas release, if I can get permission from GK.

Perhaps a New Year's release? :P

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I concur ... very nice.

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« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2008, 02:40:39 am »
Well, I haven't managed to stick to any timetable on this. Here's some WIP pics. It's an all new mesh made from MP's reference pics.. Not the one I had shown earlier. I believe that the reference pics were stretched. I don't think it was supposed to have an oblong saucer. So, I corrected them and then made the mesh. I'm going to concentrate on her a bit more, promise. I did the nacelle textures today. I'll probably work a bit on the pylons tonight as well.





 
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« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2008, 05:42:05 am »
Spectacular work, Rod. And please take all the time you need to make this beauty perfect.

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« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2008, 05:59:38 am »
Wow, Rod, that's a beauty.

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« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2008, 07:29:31 am »
Now , if there was ever a model that made me wanna kitbash something, this is it.

Truth be told, I also started this mesh several weeks ago, but was dissatisfied with my end result ... and I wanted to do Saladin and Federation Class ships based on this design. (I may yet do that ... unless someone else likes that idea and steps to the plate ... because speaking of plates, mine's full ... lol)

But ... this ... this is way better. Can't wait to make her my fcx!

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« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2008, 09:53:10 am »
lol... I like her too, but she wouldn't be a FCX.. this ship is for the new Star Trek XI movie coming out in 2008 that shows a new Kirk.. the ship is actuall the NCC-1701

Check out the information about the new movie at http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/MOV/011/index.html

or you can watch trailers and fan made clips at YouTube. Check out the fly by and pahser firing of it.
This is Fan Created though, so the phasers may not be accurate.. but check other links on site.

The ship I guess is suppose (I THINK) to be between TOS and Motion Picture.. she is the NCC-1701 but Pre- Enterprise Class Refit in Motion Picture..

an FCX is post NCC-1701-B and Pre NCC- 170-1-C..

But I agree in OP it would look cool as an FCX.. but the role would be more suited to FCA(x) according to timeline.

The render above is a bit different is design in the nacells and in the secondary hull.. but it is very close to the Movie XI version of the ship.

However Kudos on the design.. she looks fantastic.. keep up the good work !!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2008, 10:36:03 am »
Has this design actually been declared the "next" Enterprise? I know it's been rumored to be, but I didn't know it was confirmed. If so, I'll have to do alternate regs. as well.

It's supposed to be a pre-TOS design, isn't it? The timeline for the movie is before TOS, anyway.

I'm going to slot it in as the FBB, in my game. Judging from the size of the windows on the saucer this ship is larger than the original NCC-1701 by a fairly good amount. There's also the rear firing torps. I just thought she fit as a FBB in game. I could do 2 different HPs, if people want more options though.

Thanks for the encouragement, all. :)
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« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2008, 10:44:17 am »
Has this design actually been declared the "next" Enterprise? I know it's been rumored to be, but I didn't know it was confirmed. If so, I'll have to do alternate regs. as well.

It's supposed to be a pre-TOS design, isn't it? The timeline for the movie is before TOS, anyway.

I'm going to slot it in as the FBB, in my game. Judging from the size of the windows on the saucer this ship is larger than the original NCC-1701 by a fairly good amount. There's also the rear firing torps. I just thought she fit as a FBB in game. I could do 2 different HPs, if people want more options though.

Thanks for the encouragement, all. :)

Officially, no..

but the Model is from the Directors CGI bin.. the actual movies on YouTube are fan created..

It is a major possibility that she will be the "new" TOS enterprise.. but not 100% sure..  the Director also had 4 other models including the reimaged TOS Enterprise from the remastered DVD's...

This one used in Fan Films seems to be the most accepted since the Director is looking for FAN feedback while making the movie...

Anyhow, I would have to say I'm about 80% sure that they will use this ship in the Movie.. but 20% of me says they will use the TOS Remastered version..
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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2008, 11:08:03 am »
lol... I like her too, but she wouldn't be a FCX.. this ship is for the new Star Trek XI movie coming out in 2008 that shows a new Kirk.. the ship is actuall the NCC-1701
Are they really going to adopt this for the movie?

Just as background for anyone that might not know, this ship was designed by Gabriel Koerner specifically for the 2007 Star Trek Ships of the Line calender.
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« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2008, 05:06:24 pm »
Great job man... looks sweet.. and remember, take ur time, and finish when ur ready  8)

Now , if there was ever a model that made me wanna kitbash something, this is it.

Truth be told, I also started this mesh several weeks ago, but was dissatisfied with my end result ... and I wanted to do Saladin and Federation Class ships based on this design. (I may yet do that ... unless someone else likes that idea and steps to the plate ... because speaking of plates, mine's full ... lol)

But ... this ... this is way better. Can't wait to make her my fcx!

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« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2008, 06:52:40 pm »
Great job man... looks sweet.. and remember, take ur time, and finish when ur ready  8)

Now , if there was ever a model that made me wanna kitbash something, this is it.

Truth be told, I also started this mesh several weeks ago, but was dissatisfied with my end result ... and I wanted to do Saladin and Federation Class ships based on this design. (I may yet do that ... unless someone else likes that idea and steps to the plate ... because speaking of plates, mine's full ... lol)

But ... this ... this is way better. Can't wait to make her my fcx!

JM.

hmmmm mr mudd u may have given me my next project  8)

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« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2008, 07:01:40 pm »
I, for one, would love to see you put the same love into that project you are putting into your TNG Connie, AsYlUm.

F9thCenturus  ... the rubber chicken ... lol ... too funny! (makes me think of that ATHF episode on adult swim with the witch doctor ..." Arise, chicken, arise ... chicken arise ...") The mental picture I have is priceless, worthy of a photoshopping ... lol!

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Lol.. ty, but it is a seriously cool idea, same theme of connie rebuilt into a saladin class, and then who knows what........  im thinking a kick ass miranda with extra weapon pods variant?  ::)

hmmmm now that sounds good enough too eat  ;)

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Lol.. ty, but it is a seriously cool idea, same theme of connie rebuilt into a saladin class, and then who knows what........  im thinking a kick ass miranda with extra weapon pods variant?  ::)

hmmmm now that sounds good enough too eat  ;)

What about a Mars and Federation Class, and why not even a Constellation Class with the same theme?
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Lol.. ty, but it is a seriously cool idea, same theme of connie rebuilt into a saladin class, and then who knows what........ im thinking a kick ass miranda with extra weapon pods variant? ::)

hmmmm now that sounds good enough too eat ;)

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Lol.. ty, but it is a seriously cool idea, same theme of connie rebuilt into a saladin class, and then who knows what........ im thinking a kick ass miranda with extra weapon pods variant? ::)

hmmmm now that sounds good enough too eat ;)

The full TOS line remade in this style is way too good to hope for. It'd probably cause the universe to implode.  :o

Hmmmm.......

Hopefully later this year I'll be making some money.  If this project hasn't been done by then, I will seriously consider paying someone to make a whole fleet of ships on this theme.  I didn't say I would pay, I said I would seriously consider.
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« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2008, 11:07:00 am »
YES!!! A CONSISTANT FLEET!!!

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See, this is why I love the TOS/Pre-TOS era ... It can be just as sleek and refined as any other era, with a little imagination; without pissing all over tradition. Sure, Gabe's Enterprise ain't your daddy's Constitution Class ... But it DOES look like a believable 22-23rd century Starship that pays homage to what has come before.

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YES!!! A CONSISTANT FLEET!!!

Guaranteed Download Here!!!!

See, this is why I love the TOS/Pre-TOS era ... It can be just as sleek and refined as any other era, with a little imagination; without pissing all over tradition. Sure, Gabe's Enterprise ain't your daddy's Constitution Class ... But it DOES look like a believable 22-23rd century Starship that pays homage to what has come before.

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Does that mean you'll take a stab at it?  :-D  Maybe go all out and make one with an 11k poly limit?  :-D  And high res textures?
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« Reply #47 on: January 04, 2008, 11:17:32 am »
YES!!! A CONSISTANT FLEET!!!

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See, this is why I love the TOS/Pre-TOS era ... It can be just as sleek and refined as any other era, with a little imagination; without pissing all over tradition. Sure, Gabe's Enterprise ain't your daddy's Constitution Class ... But it DOES look like a believable 22-23rd century Starship that pays homage to what has come before.

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Count me in to kitbash any models with these design cues to fill in the gaps in the fleet. ;)


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Red Sharif, I think you might want to modify that last post of yours.  You put your reply in the quoted posts.  :-p
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« Reply #49 on: January 04, 2008, 11:26:10 am »
11k??!!! Are you MAD? Most folks gripe at anything over 6k ... But it does sound appealing.

No - I'm TRYING to stay focused here. I really want to build the ships of the Four Years War and the Romulan War ... at least get a good healthy start on it before I move on to other things ...

... but this IS tempting.

Besides, Rod has a GREAT jump on things here. Maybe when I clean my plate up a bit, but until then, I'm just as excited to see these proposed ships as you are.

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11k??!!! Are you MAD? Most folks gripe at anything over 6k ... But it does sound appealing.

No - I'm TRYING to stay focused here. I really want to build the ships of the Four Years War and the Romulan War ... at least get a good healthy start on it before I move on to other things ...

... but this IS tempting.

Besides, Rod has a GREAT jump on things here. Maybe when I clean my plate up a bit, but until then, I'm just as excited to see these proposed ships as you are.

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« Reply #51 on: January 04, 2008, 12:48:39 pm »
Here she is with the pylons painted and lighting that is more representative of the source pics.
She's 6900 polies (a bit higher than I hoped for.) She's also all one piece. So, kitbashing will be a bit tough as pulling parts off will leave holes. We'll have to look into that when the time comes.
 
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Looks fantastic Rod.. :D
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I can't wait to see the paintjob you apply to the secondary hull. Excellent work.

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« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2008, 07:07:21 am »
the borg are coming, the borg are coming

quick we need that ship.

what?, you did not install the hollow deck yet?, who cares, its not the love boat its a war ship, we need weapons not a movie theater.  :D

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the borg are coming, the borg are coming

quick we need that ship.

what?, you did not install the hollow deck yet?, who cares, its not the love boat its a war ship, we need weapons not a movie theater.  :D

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« Reply #56 on: January 06, 2008, 09:55:24 am »
Looks absolutely AWESOME! Thanks for sharing. Polies are a bit high but not bad considering the increased computing power of CPUs and GPUs since SFC was released. besides if you're going for a good number 69 is always a winner ;)

Best part -- I bet she'll kill the borg real good! PLEASE keep us updated.

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The polies are just right.  :-D
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« Reply #58 on: January 06, 2008, 12:45:01 pm »
I tend to agree ... anything smaller sacrifices too much ...

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Agreed.  Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing the final ship be more around 8-9k polies.  :-D  But that's just me.  :-D
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Awesome model Rod!

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« Reply #61 on: January 09, 2008, 05:03:21 pm »
Here's an update. Started texturing the engineering section. Hope ya like it so far. I have a lot of details to add all over the model, but she's coming together.
Hearty thanks for the positive comments. It's very encouraging.
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« Reply #62 on: January 09, 2008, 05:27:55 pm »
Very Nice Rod.   ;D

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« Reply #63 on: January 10, 2008, 12:20:18 pm »
rod, its a dirty looking star ship i thank you that weathering looks fantastic, seriously great job, try to get a bit more near the edges of the hull plates though as it looks a bit more realistic, but seriously this is already shaping up to be your best yet

The weathering so far is just a random photoshop pattern. I haven't actually applied anything to specific areas. I'll make sure that I do though.  The plating needs a bit more work too.

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If you need an SFC3 porter, don't hesitate to ask.  I'd love to get my hands on this baby.
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If you need an SFC3 porter, don't hesitate to ask.  I'd love to get my hands on this baby.

Thanks, I sure will.
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Hearty thanks for the positive comments. It's very encouraging.

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Yea Ill say cant wait to see it with the textures dialed in

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I sooo cannot wait to get ahold of this ... :D

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« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2008, 11:02:01 pm »
Here is a up close image of the ship from YouTube.. just to help with the details and coloring.. hope this helps.


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Is this baby available?



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Is this baby available?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-35xvtHkEi8&NR=1




Battleclinic has a couple.  However, personally, I would love to see a new mesh made.  The ones available are a bit too outdated for my tastes.
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Here is a up close image of the ship from YouTube.. just to help with the details and coloring.. hope this helps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9vnP_x63pY



Thanks, Pestalence. I hadn't seen this one, before. I did pick up a couple of details from it.
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« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2008, 08:44:41 am »
Not to get away form this but has anyone seen this version ?



Isn't the author a BC'er if so where the model ? And more important can we port it ? LOL

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« Reply #74 on: January 13, 2008, 12:43:46 pm »
Rod - I think she's a beauty. Nice job! I know you didn't design her but your mesh is very accurate and he weathered texturing really give it the feel I think hte author intented. Very nice indeed.

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« Reply #75 on: January 13, 2008, 02:46:58 pm »
I love what your doing with that ship rod, I can't wait for the finished product. Hopefully a public sfc release? eh? That's a gorgeous job done on a beautiful ship.

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« Reply #76 on: January 13, 2008, 03:09:06 pm »
Not to get away form this but has anyone seen this version ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66r0jlYq6jA&feature=related

Isn't the author a BC'er if so where the model ? And more important can we port it ? LOL


Nope.  I think it's only CGI.  Someone would have to make a game version. 

Whatever happened to that Connie concept I had posted some time back from Scifi Meshes.com?
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« Reply #77 on: January 13, 2008, 03:37:50 pm »
Here is a up close image of the ship from YouTube.. just to help with the details and coloring.. hope this helps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9vnP_x63pY



Thanks, Pestalence. I hadn't seen this one, before. I did pick up a couple of details from it.


NP.. The model of the CG Enterprise used on YouTube was originally created by Gabe Koerner from CG Channel.

Eden FX has done a lot of work on Trek shows like Voyager, TNG, and DS 9. Here is an interview from a while back with Eden FX's spokesperson. He chats about some of their earlier work. I dunno if Eden or the producers of Star Trek XI are looking at the model.. but I'll see what I can dig up.

http://cgchannel.com/news/viewfeature.jsp?newsid=2098

I'll see if Gabe has any postings about the model he is using for YouTube films.
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« Reply #78 on: January 13, 2008, 04:10:28 pm »
Pest. is more right about it as this is what one of our reader had to post about it over at STG. on.Star Trek XI

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« Reply #79 on: January 13, 2008, 06:09:08 pm »
Pest. is more right about it as this is what one of our reader had to post about it over at STG. on.Star Trek XI


Gabriel koerner's ship is 1 of 3 ships being considered. Seeing as how Ryan Church is already working CGI on the Trek film, it might be Ryan's design, however there is no pics of Ryans ship online at the moment. the third ship I believe is the CGI reenhanced version from TOS on the remastered disks. I think both Ryan and Gabe did some work on those. But you can go to ...

http://www.gabekoerner.com/ent/

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« Reply #80 on: January 19, 2008, 08:56:01 am »
Well the Movie version is showing it's head.. here is the screen shot of the Enterprise under construction



looks a lot like Gabe's ship but until we get a full view of her, it may just be and enhanced version of the TOS ship before it's painted the thermal coat Grey.

Here is Gabe's ship from the front.



So what do you guys think so far?

Possible match?

To me the ship from the Teaser Trailer looks more like the CGI Enhanced version of TOS than it does Gabe's ship.. I don't think they changed the ship.. I believe they stuck to Canon concerning the ship.

but Gabe's ship would sure be cool to have in the game and the model render above is looking fantastic.. keep the great work up !!!!


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« Reply #81 on: January 19, 2008, 09:01:09 am »
The overall shape of the nacelles DOES look like Gabe's influence ... but we need more to be sure. Looks GREAT in any case.

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« Reply #82 on: January 19, 2008, 01:43:01 pm »
It may be influenced but it's not an exact match to the Gabe pic above.

The trailer E has a plate seam running right along the center line, Gabe's has two each off center. The name Enterprise in the trailer is very straight while Gabe's shows a clear curve. The nacelle domes look a lot alike, both have a large circle in the center. The bridge structures also look alike.

The nacelles in the trailer pic seem awfully close to the primary hull, could just be an optical illusion. Here's hoping they didn't turn it into an upside down Miranda.

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« Reply #83 on: January 19, 2008, 02:24:46 pm »
If memory serves, and I may be wrong about this, The Enterprise was built in San Francisco, and assembled in orbit, so what we could be seeing really more bare bones than it first appears.

But then again, looking at Gabe's model, we also see how close the nacelles appear to the Primary hull.

GK has publically stated that he did not produce a model that would be used as the Enterprise in the new Trek movie ... just that his and two other designs were being considered. This is why I said 'influenced' rather than, 'yep, it's Gabe's model'. Not ruling out his influence, not saying he had any ... Honestly, folks, it's just way too early to tell.

This is fun though, isn't it ... new designs, new ideas ... gets the cobwebs dusted out of the old bonebox ... fertile ground for a starship designer/model builder ...

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« Reply #84 on: January 19, 2008, 04:11:19 pm »
If memory serves, and I may be wrong about this, The Enterprise was built in San Francisco, and assembled in orbit, so what we could be seeing really more bare bones than it first appears.

How great would that be, seeing them load the components onto surface to orbit sleds and slip through the sky into orbit. Completely impractical but cool none the less.
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« Reply #85 on: January 19, 2008, 10:42:02 pm »
It looks a bit more than just, influenced by it. The bridge looks pretty much spot on, to me. Maybe I'm being influenced somehow, because the more that I look at it the more it looks like Gabe's. The intercoolers don't look right though, and the registry is obviously different. Might possibly have plasma injectors (I think that's what they are?) on the side of the nacelles, which Gabe's Ent doesn't have. Possibly could be another update of it?
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« Reply #86 on: January 20, 2008, 09:22:41 am »
Hello all
  Keep in mind that this is a Teaser and the final product may look radically different Any one remember the Phase 2 poster they Released for TMP when they announced that there was going to be a movie does that match the final TMP model ?

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« Reply #87 on: January 20, 2008, 09:33:06 am »
well for that the tmp and or the phase 2 is not like on the poster, well beside a old model made by atra hasis for sfc1.

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« Reply #88 on: January 23, 2008, 03:37:34 pm »
Sorry it's taking so long, guys. I've been stymied with the hull plate. The Saucer seems to be ok now except for weathering. I'm working on the plate for the rest of it. Here's an update.


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« Reply #89 on: January 23, 2008, 03:49:06 pm »
Purrrrty ... That's so cool ...

Great job thus far Rod ... take all the time you need!

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« Reply #90 on: January 23, 2008, 04:59:37 pm »
Take your time and get her looking right. Amazing work so far.

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« Reply #91 on: January 23, 2008, 06:08:07 pm »
Very nice  ;D

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« Reply #92 on: January 24, 2008, 11:07:17 pm »
That ship looks great. If you are stymied by the hull plating improvise. You dont have to make it match exactly for it to look just as good as the high poly version. 7k is higher than i would have done, but it is a good count considering the hardware standards of todays machines. Being a solid mesh, and with all those curves i doubt anything lower would work. In any case that is some fine work.

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« Reply #93 on: January 25, 2008, 09:52:10 am »
might i suggest some weathering to the name and registry as they look too clean as to compared to the slightly worn hull. dont have to pay attention to me though.

Agreed.. maybe convert it to a raster layer and add a bit of noise after doing a small gaussian blur.. :)
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« Reply #94 on: January 29, 2008, 11:27:04 pm »
Nearing completion, now. Still have the glows around the sensor, some sort of vent or grate on the front of the neck area, and the spot lights on the pylons. The plating and weathering is done, I think.

I'll try the registry weathering that you guys suggested. Thanks, Alec, for the suggestion on how to do it. I thought about "noise" too. Or possibly a layer with the blend mode set to dissolve?  I hadn't thought about Gaussian blur though. That should give a worn/blended effect to the edges.



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« Reply #95 on: January 30, 2008, 12:13:35 am »
I'm drooling already.  :-D  +1
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« Reply #96 on: February 02, 2008, 02:22:09 pm »
Gabe's difficult to email. I've posted for release permission at TrekBBS. Gabe posts there. We'll wait and see.

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« Reply #97 on: February 02, 2008, 02:24:19 pm »
Can we see a wireframe?
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« Reply #98 on: February 02, 2008, 02:26:41 pm »
Can we see a wireframe?

Sure. I'm off to work right now, but I'll post one later.
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« Reply #99 on: February 02, 2008, 02:28:38 pm »
Sweet deal.
If you get a permission, you are of course likely to see some kitbashes.
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« Reply #100 on: February 02, 2008, 11:51:56 pm »
I know you guys are all drooling over this Koerner design, but look at this one.  It's sort of like a 50s/60s muscle car Enterprise.

I am sure you can see the chrome details and such reminiscent of classic cars.

















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« Reply #101 on: February 03, 2008, 12:04:21 am »
That looks hotter than hot.
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« Reply #102 on: February 03, 2008, 12:10:49 am »
That looks hotter than hot.

Definitely. How many polys in that model?

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« Reply #103 on: February 03, 2008, 05:55:30 am »
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« Reply #104 on: February 05, 2008, 02:05:18 pm »
Rod ... All I can say is ...

:drool:

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« Reply #105 on: February 19, 2008, 04:24:02 am »
Very nice work there rod... and im really liking this other one too.. looks extremely high poly though.. but still fantastic work on both fronts  :)

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« Reply #106 on: May 05, 2008, 06:43:32 pm »
Whatever happened to this, did rod ever release this? I was dying for this one. anyone know what happened? thank you

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« Reply #107 on: May 05, 2008, 10:29:33 pm »
Whatever happened to this, did rod ever release this? I was dying for this one. anyone know what happened? thank you

I think Rod never got permission from the author of the original model which inspired his project.  I think one of the Bridge Commander guys has the same problem.

At least that's what I heard last concerning this particular ship.
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« Reply #108 on: May 06, 2008, 12:06:46 am »
Whatever happened to this, did rod ever release this? I was dying for this one. anyone know what happened? thank you

I think Rod never got permission from the author of the original model which inspired his project.  I think one of the Bridge Commander guys has the same problem.

At least that's what I heard last concerning this particular ship.

That's correct, sadly. I'd love to post it, but Gabe hasn't responded to e-mails or PMs.
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« Reply #109 on: May 06, 2008, 12:34:08 pm »
All social niceties and community protocols aside, I would have to agree, particularly when you consider that Gabe's concept is unmistakably based on the Connie which is officially trademarked in and of itself.  However, considering the unpleasantness that ensues across communities when there's even a whisper of plagiarism, it's better to show restraint and show respect for the other's wishes.

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« Reply #110 on: May 06, 2008, 04:48:53 pm »
I have to agree with FW on this.  Basicly every model released would be considered plagerism at some point just because it is Star Trek based without permission from Paramount, or the models of the BSG on another thread.

I can understand having to ask for permission if you used actual work (graphics, ship parts) but because you seen a ship and yours had influances, that is still original work as long as you didn't copy it verbatim in looks and such (or just a cosmetic change).  Going to far down the have to get permision road would stop any ships from being released because someone can always say "I see concepts of my design in that ship" and the bad part is that that person would have concepts of someone elses design in his, etc, etc.

 A bi-line of "parts inspired by designs of so and so" should be good anough.  Would be fine with me if someone took a ship I drew and made a model based on it.  Heck even the US copywrite office lets you copywrite an update to someone elses design.

It is sad, as I have seen the flames of someone saying "NO you can't use my design at all, remove it, blah blah" but those usually are from reskining things mostly.

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« Reply #111 on: May 06, 2008, 06:59:02 pm »
I said it because of those "Protocols" and "Niceties" Every single Connie model, kitbash, redesign, refit is a plagiarism of the original. This Connie Has too many differences from Gabe's original not to be counted as a copy. I mean the similarities between Gabe's and Rod's and even the one Lepton showed us....None of them should be released because they look like Matt Jeffery's original.... Rod built this model using his own imagination which happened to be influenced by Gabe's vision. As long as Gabe's name is given in the credits for inspiration. Wheres the problem?

I mean seriously, and with all respect. When did we all become fluffy bunnies who are so concerned with political correctness that we allow it to stifle and restrain what we have being doing here for years. Because if this what we have boiled down too then what is the point of us ever having to make a model again?

Sorry for the rant, i Don't mean to start anything here as Rod's work on this model and its textures are whats important.

 

Apparently you've forgotten all the various times this community, and others, have dealt with issues concerning other people's work being used or copied, or converted/ported without expressed consent.  Remember the ugliness those situations brought about. 

I mean, to have one or two ideas in a model that's clearly inspired by someone elses work, but the model as a whole is far different than someone elses, then I'll agree with you, you can get away with releasing said model and give credit for inspiration.

But when the concept is extremely close to what inspired you in the first place, then you're just asking for trouble.

Again, don't forget what happens everytime someone does something like this.  Extremely ugly, and the last thing this community needs is to be branded a bunch of rip offs and plagarists.
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« Reply #112 on: May 06, 2008, 08:02:03 pm »
true, which is why i'm suggesting we all sit down in a thread and maybe agree as to where these limits are so events like those are avoided... and no offense but you yourself use connies alot (we all know you get permission) but your changes while subtle are your own. So what if someone were to cause fuss about them or any other design that shares a similarity, before someone could say its all cool people get opinionated and it turns into a flamewar.
thats how it always happens here.
Why not have a thread where the people who do all the work get the foundations laid in for some guidelines or something.

In my situation, if any one else where to approach me and say I stole their idea, it would be purely coincidental, but it would cause an arguement.  However, the likelihood of that happening is very minimal, especially since I use WZ components for the most part.

However, we don't really need to get together to lay down some ground rules as to what crosses the line and what doesn't.  If you really think about it, such ground rules have been laid down in various modding communities for a long time now, mostly through common sense.  That's how we've always operated.

Unfortunately, there are those that don't have any sense, and will do what they want, when they want with other people's work.  And most times, those people trounce out the old excuse that the original authors did the very same thing by making a copy of a copyrighted piece of material without permission from Paramount. 

However, Paramount has been aware of the various communities and their work for years.  If they wanted, they could have gone the route of the RIAA and sued every single mesher in the world that ever made a canon Trek ship 3D model.  But they haven't.

However, in communities such as ours, if we start laying down the ground rules of what we consider plagarism, and those rules contradict most other communities' rules and common sense on such things, we're not only asking for trouble, we're going out and dragging trouble to us.  Again, that's why various modelling and modding communities have a universal standard if you will, based mainly on common sense, to regulate such situations. 

The problem isn't what constitutes plagarism or not.  The problem is what people do to justify their acts when they're in a gray area.  Again that's happened in this community before, and we all know the outcome of those situations.
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« Reply #113 on: May 07, 2008, 05:29:41 am »
Hi guys. I took the orthos that MP posted, installed them as reference pics, and made this model as accurate to them as I could. I couldn't really claim only inspiration.

The blue glows on the saucer are from the reference model. I'm assuming warp reactors?

We, as a community, don't use other individual's designs without their permission. I don't want to go against that. I want us to be able to claim rights to our designs and not have someone point to this model and accuse us of being hypocrites. It's not worth that.

Now, with that said, we (and others) freely use commercial designs. Paramount, ADB, etc... don't have a problem because we don't cost them income. We, IMO, actually promote their IP. That's just my opinion though. If this design is sitting on Gabe's HDD waiting for a bidder to buy the commercial rights and my model might adversely affect that sale, I'd be wrong to release it and chance that happening. I've heard though that it's already been used commercially on the Ships of the Line calender. Is that true? I've never seen the calender myself. If so, then releasing it might be just as acceptable as any other commercial design is. Or possibly I'm requesting permission from the wrong source and need to ask the producers of the calender?

I'd love to release it. I like the idea that there's some of me in your games. It just might take a bit of time.
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« Reply #114 on: May 07, 2008, 06:20:31 am »
I've heard though that it's already been used commercially on the Ships of the Line calender. Is that true?


Yes, stated in a post by Mr. Koerner himself. I don't recall exactly if he said he needed one more drawing for the calender and it was something he had laying around or if it was something he made specifically for the calender. Either way it's in there.

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« Reply #115 on: May 07, 2008, 07:16:08 am »
  My comments are in general of course, over all this comunity has done an awesome job of getting out mods and keeping it civil.

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« Reply #116 on: May 08, 2008, 02:51:30 am »
It's in the calendar? huh... Anyone know of any other way to get a hold of gabe then? Anything I can do Rod to help bring about the means neccesary for the release. Its just seems a shame, You recreated the model beautifully and I've been dying to get my grubby little hands on it. Modellers like you and Asylum just create some of the most beautiful pieces, the hours I've spent just admiring the detail on the Garigan. I apologize if I'm come off as the begger here, I mean no disrespect to anyone.

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« Reply #117 on: May 08, 2008, 06:11:47 am »
It's in the calendar? huh... Anyone know of any other way to get a hold of gabe then? Anything I can do Rod to help bring about the means neccesary for the release. Its just seems a shame, You recreated the model beautifully and I've been dying to get my grubby little hands on it. Modellers like you and Asylum just create some of the most beautiful pieces, the hours I've spent just admiring the detail on the Garigan. I apologize if I'm come off as the begger here, I mean no disrespect to anyone.

Trust me, no one here is going to feel disrespected by that post.  I'm pretty sure of that.  You're not the only one that would like to get this particular model.
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« Reply #118 on: May 08, 2008, 01:08:37 pm »
don't suppose you have the URL for his myspace?

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« Reply #119 on: May 08, 2008, 04:55:33 pm »
I've tried e-mailing him and PMing him at trekbbs forums. I've just sent him a PM at scifi-meshes as well. I also tried the publishers of the 2007 SotL calender. The person who fielded the request there doesn't seem to get it. I can't get through to her that I don't want to post images from their calender lol. I don't believe that they have any rights to the IP anyway. It appears they only have rights to use the particular image.
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« Reply #120 on: May 12, 2008, 07:34:12 pm »
I'm curious, is gabe still active anywhere cause i saw you left him that note on sci-fi meshes and as of yet i've seen nothing. is he just not on or ignoring?

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« Reply #121 on: May 12, 2008, 08:40:24 pm »
I don't know? There is a point that it's considered legally that a reasonable effort has been made to contact the IP owner. At that point you can use the IP for nonprofit reasons and it's OK. If the IP owner appears afterwards they can tell you to remove it and you have to comply (obviously), but with no further liabilities for using the IP. You can't be sued, for instance.

This could very well be what Gabe is doing by not responding. Without a response it's OK for me to post it, but he can at any time respond and tell me to remove it. If I had his permission he might loose some rights. I'm not a lawyer, but this is how the copyright laws read to me.

With that said, I'm not just concerned with the legal issues. I'm also concerned with ethically using something without permission.

I've tried 2 e-mails to him. I'll try 1 more and see if I can get a response.
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« Reply #122 on: May 13, 2008, 04:31:55 pm »
I dunno, I feel why your saying that Fallen Warrior but I think Rod's right, after a period of time and repeated attempts to contact the owner, you got something. I mean it doesn't take much effort to reply back a fat no or yes. it seems to me gabe might just not be online at all at this point. Since Rod would remove the source immediately if gabe ever did tell him to stop it, it seems completely legit to me. I've never read the copyright laws but I'm under the impression that no legal action can be taken against you for something that is non-profit. It's not like gabe is trying to sell his idea, not that he'd have the legal right to either. When it comes down to it, it's really just about respect. I think Rod worked hard and has more than tried to get the gabe's attention. It seems more than fair to me. Before anyone says it, my opinion has nothing to do with my desire to get this model. That's my honest opinion. In just about anything that goes around in the world, when you drop out of the game and stop playing for a long time, the world can't stop and wait around, gotta go on without you. It's like that with relationships, with jobs, with anything, including copyright law. If you stop claiming your copyright, there is an expiration date for claims. No disrespect intended towards gabe or anyone.

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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #123 on: May 14, 2008, 01:07:40 am »
Copyright length for art is life+70yrs. I was just stating the law as I understand it, not my intentions.

I am concerned that my releasing my version of his design might devalue it commercially somehow.

Gabe actually was online at scifi-meshes 1hr before I messaged him. Just missed him. ::)
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #124 on: May 14, 2008, 05:49:56 am »
Copyright length for art is life+70yrs. I was just stating the law as I understand it, not my intentions.

I am concerned that my releasing my version of his design might devalue it commercially somehow.

Gabe actually was online at scifi-meshes 1hr before I messaged him. Just missed him. ::)

Question is, has he been online since?
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #125 on: May 15, 2008, 02:05:41 am »
No, he hasn't. He is still active, though. He's just not an everyday visitor.
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #126 on: May 15, 2008, 04:41:15 am »
Understandable.
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